James/Stevens

[BM1090]

A bubble team whose best win is against providence and with losses to butler and DePaul? Sorry I don't think so

The metrics are the metrics and we're 43rd in the country for the last month. If you want to ignore that then fine, but it doesn't make it less factual.

IF that continues for another month, that means we'll have won some road games. Maybe a home game against SJU or UConn. And finished the season .500 or better in conference in the last 12. That'd be a tournament/bubble team if you extrapolate out a full season.

The games played in November literally mean nothing for next year. The improvement since then has been clear and obvious.

Either way, we need a starting center and a solid guard/wing at minimum

[panda]

The metrics are the metrics and we're 43rd in the country for the last month. If you want to ignore that then fine, but it doesn't make it less factual.

IF that continues for another month, that means we'll have won some road games. Maybe a home game against SJU or UConn. And finished the season .500 or better in conference in the last 12. That'd be a tournament/bubble team if you extrapolate out a full season.

The games played in November literally mean nothing for next year. The improvement since then has been clear and obvious.

Either way, we need a starting center and a solid guard/wing at minimum

We're 3-6 in the last month lol

[panda]

The metrics are the metrics and we're 43rd in the country for the last month. If you want to ignore that then fine, but it doesn't make it less factual.

IF that continues for another month, that means we'll have won some road games. Maybe a home game against SJU or UConn. And finished the season .500 or better in conference in the last 12. That'd be a tournament/bubble team if you extrapolate out a full season.

The games played in November literally mean nothing for next year. The improvement since then has been clear and obvious.

Either way, we need a starting center and a solid guard/wing at minimum

And you're right ! We are playing better. Without the likes of Clark, Hamilton, Norman jones. Cut em loose and start fresh with 5 transfers.

[rocky_warrior]

We're 3-6 in the last month lol

It's just a fact that we're one of the top 50 teams in the country right now.  You must accept it!

[JTJ3]

James
Transfer
Stevens
Parham
Transfer

Transfer
Sheek
Freshmen/non contributors from this year/deadweight.

Nowhere near enough depth to be anything more than a bubble team. Unless we absolutely knock it out of the park with the transfers. We'll be better than this year but what an ATROCIOUS benchmark.

That rotation above is easily an NCAA tournament team.  Especially when you include Owens off the bench as well as an upperclassmen option.

[PointWarrior]

Silly me, I thought this thread was going to be about James/Stevens package deal to St John's. 

[JTJ3]

Absolutely need a starting big from the portal.  But penciling in Sheek as the backup is completely reasonable.

He's a top 60 recruit for a reason, he's been very good at the highest levels of AAU ball.  This isnt another Caedin/Clark low D1 project.  If Sheek was enrolling next fall, based on his resume, we would be expecting him to be ready to play.  Cant be scared by the recent redshirt big experiments, Sheek is a competely different situation.

[BM1090]

We're 3-6 in the last month lol

3-4, 3-3 in the last four weeks. But hey keep lying, honest discussion has no place here

[rocky_warrior]

3-4, 3-3 in the last four weeks. But hey keep lying, honest discussion has no place here

Calling 1/10-2/10 a month isn't an honest discussion?

[panda]

That rotation above is easily an NCAA tournament team.  Especially when you include Owens off the bench as well as an upperclassmen option.

Assume the core of parham, James and Steven's improves. We are replacing chase and Ben with let's imagine slightly better versions of themselves. Then we're adding one more guy coming off the bench. Otherwise it will be the same roster of one of the worst Marquette teams of all time.

How does minor roster adjustments take a horrible team to a tournament team?

[panda]

3-4, 3-3 in the last four weeks. But hey keep lying, honest discussion has no place here

Jan 10 - feb 10 we are 3-6.

[The Sultan]

3-4, 3-3 in the last four weeks. But hey keep lying, honest discussion has no place here

Against pretty mediocre opponents.

[panda]

It's just a fact that we're one of the top 50 teams in the country right now.  You must accept it!

lol right?!

The "but kenpom" argument is nauseating. You can say we're improving, but don't tell me a 3-6 stretch makes us a borderline tournament team

[BM1090]

Sure, it's a month. It's not the last month, which is what I clearly referenced in my post.

And my entire point is to capture the timeline since the on court play noticeably improved. Which was after the SJU loss. 4 close road losses. 3 home wins.

Not sure why stating facts like our kenpom ranking went up 20 spots and our metrics say we're a bubble team in the last month is so upsetting to y'all. Especially when I said if it doesn't continue the next month then we need an overhaul

[BM1090]

Against pretty mediocre opponents.

For sure, but I never argued otherwise.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

James
Transfer
Stevens
Parham
Transfer

Transfer
Sheek
Freshmen/non contributors from this year/deadweight.

Nowhere near enough depth to be anything more than a bubble team. Unless we absolutely knock it out of the park with the transfers. We'll be better than this year but what an ATROCIOUS benchmark.

That would be a really, really good hypothetical starting 5.

Transfer, Sheek, Owens, Phillips and Egbuonu off the bench. Unproven, sure, but I'd bet on the talent in that group to provide enough depth.

[panda]

Sure, it's a month. It's not the last month, which is what I clearly referenced in my post.

And my entire point is to capture the timeline since the on court play noticeably improved. Which was after the SJU loss. 4 close road losses. 3 home wins.

Not sure why stating facts like our kenpom ranking went up 20 spots and our metrics say we're a bubble team in the last month is so upsetting to y'all. Especially when I said if it doesn't continue the next month then we need an overhaul

It's encouraging to see them to playing better and I'm actually excited to watch the games again. But it's disingenuous to throw those stats out when we're still losing more games than we're winning against mediocre to bad teams. That is absolutely no reason to bring back a lot of this roster.

[panda]

That would be a really, really good hypothetical starting 5.

Transfer, Sheek, Owens, Phillips and Egbuonu off the bench. Unproven, sure, but I'd bet on the talent in that group to provide enough depth.

Phillips has done nothing this year. The only reason you keep ownens at this point is to keep parham happy. Freshman. You can take the glass half full. I'll live in reality

[BM1090]

It's encouraging to see them to playing better and I'm actually excited to watch the games again. But it's disingenuous to throw those stats out when we're still losing more games than we're winning against mediocre to bad teams. That is absolutely no reason to bring back a lot of this roster.

I think this is where we disagree. In the last month we're undefeated in Q2 and Q3 games. And we have three close, competitive, road Q1 losses. That's basically what bubble teams do. And the metrics have us 43rd over that period

We're not where we need to be obviously, but the improvement has been enough to keep an open mind and let the next month play out, IMO.

If we maintain that level of play for another month, I think we can supplement the roster with a starting C and a wing.

If we don't, an overhaul is needed.

[rocky_warrior]

Sure, it's a month. It's not the last month, which is what I clearly referenced in my post.

And my entire point is to capture the timeline since the on court play noticeably improved. Which was after the SJU loss. 4 close road losses. 3 home wins.

But your "month" is just arbitrarily including days at the end when no games were played. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me either (shrug).  I can accept the argument that 1/10 shouldn't count in the month, but it's hardly a dishonest discussion if you include it.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Phillips has done nothing this year. The only reason you keep ownens at this point is to keep parham happy. Freshman. You can take the glass half full. I'll live in reality

I'm well aware of what Phillips has done this year.

Remember your guy Jop scoring 2 PPG as a freshman and then being 6th man of the year the following season? Or OMax being a quality contributor after scoring 2 PPG his freshman year at Clemson?

Hate to break it to you but you're not living in reality. You're discounting any growth and focused primarily on worst-case scenarios.

[panda]

I think this is where we disagree. In the last month we're undefeated in Q2 and Q3 games. And we have three close, competitive, road Q1 losses. That's basically what bubble teams do. And the metrics have us 43rd over that period

We're not where we need to be obviously, but the improvement has been enough to keep an open mind and let the next month play out, IMO.

If we maintain that level of play for another month, I think we can supplement the roster with a starting C and a wing.

If we don't, an overhaul is needed.

Competitive losses don't count. Q1 victories do and we don't have one in any time frame that you concoct.

[panda]

I'm well aware of what Phillips has done this year.

Remember your guy Jop scoring 2 PPG as a freshman and then being 6th man of the year the following season? Or OMax being a quality contributor after scoring 2 PPG his freshman year at Clemson?

Hate to break it to you but you're not living in reality. You're discounting any growth and focused primarily on worst-case scenarios.

Jop didn't contribute because he was on a tournament team his freshman year. Same with omax. If you're not playing on this Marquette team, something is wrong.

Not saying Phillips won't eventually be a contributor, but there is nothing in his limited action on this bad team to say he should be looked to as a contributor next season.

[The Sultan]

For sure, but I never argued otherwise.

But that's not playing like a bubble team.

[BM1090]

But your "month" is just arbitrarily including days at the end when no games were played. That doesn't make a ton of sense to me either (shrug).  I can accept the argument that 1/10 shouldn't count in the month, but it's hardly a dishonest discussion if you include it.

My month is literally just taking the current date and subtracting a month. The definition of a month. It's not that deep.