Shaka cost us the game tonite

[Scoop Snoop]

It's true, Al was such a legend he used to sub in for the last two minutes of every game that they won.  They only lost the games he wanted to teach the boys a lesson and didn't play.

And then they'd get into a fist fight in the locker room to hash out differences of opinion.  Al always knew best.

This all true. The good old days. Shaka is no Al.

[WhiteTrash]

This all true. The good old days. Shaka is no Al.

True. But I still have a sneaky suspicion that Shaka can carve a great legacy at MU.

[Scoop Snoop]

True. But I still have a sneaky suspicion that Shaka can carve a great legacy at MU.

Agree. Just having a little fun. Two extremely different personalities.

[brewcity77]

No, but Relationships Growth Victory certainly can work with transfers. People have this strange idea that Shaka and Marquette are slavishly tied to a model regardless of the results. They are going to find out very shortly that this isn't the case, and RGV will still be splashed around.

I'm going to guess you didn't spend much time on campus this past Fall, at the Spirit Shop, or the online store.

The disconnect is that using lower case relationship building to foster growth and believing that will lead to victory is plausible with transfers. But that's not what the staff has been talking about and not what critics of the model are talking about.

If you were in the Spirit Shop in Fall when they launched the upper case RGV line, honestly, it was offensive. The entire front of the store had nothing but RGV everywhere. It was not easy finding merchandise that said "Marquette" on it. RGV tables probably took up 25% of the store footprint, and when 20% is youth apparel, 20% is non-clothing merch, and 20% is the checkout counter, that doesn't leave much space for fans just looking for Marquette clothing.

And the public comments that surrounded it, from the interview with Broeker to Big East Media Day to the open scrimmages, it was very clear that when they say RGV, what they mean is recruiting players strictly from high school and developing them through their 4-5 year college careers.

People that didn't make it to campus or see how hard the Spirit Shop and website were pushing that crap may not realize how pervasive it was to the brand and how they were trying to eclipse the Marquette brand with RGV.

And no, I'm not being hyperbolic in the least.

If Shaka is going to salvage his program at Marquette, he needs to disconnect his RGV roster building model from the tenets of relationships/growth/victory. Yes, you can have good culture and use the portal, but it was very obvious that wasn't what RGV was about and why it was so widely ridiculed, especially as public comments on it persisted through the November-January losses.

[MarquetteMike1977]

It has been said many times and excuse my need to vent. Disappointing and Frustrating it feels like other teams went after victories and Shaka went after relationships This Year. How and why.
But feel Marquette will be back Soon. Hopefully starting tomorrow with a victory and shakes.

[Scoop Snoop]

Absolutely love your post Brew. Even without being on campus, when I read about the RGV merchandise in scooeward knew that what it signaled was a displacement of the Marquette name. I thought "what's next? Replacing the Marquette name on the unis with RGV? And changing the chant at the end of games when V is only a few minutes away to "We R!.....GV!? 

Shaka's own personal beliefs included RGV as you defined it, and that's why I deboarded the Shaka train. I want the previous version of Shaka back, not this Don Quixote one. It is Marquette's team, NOT Shaka's, very own personal team, and our AD and President supporting this crap is very insane. They are an embarrassment to Marquette.  I have been referring to RGV as the "operating system" that needs to be thrown out, not RGV as background music. 

[MUDPT]

I'm going to guess you didn't spend much time on campus this past Fall, at the Spirit Shop, or the online store.

The disconnect is that using lower case relationship building to foster growth and believing that will lead to victory is plausible with transfers. But that's not what the staff has been talking about and not what critics of the model are talking about.

If you were in the Spirit Shop in Fall when they launched the upper case RGV line, honestly, it was offensive. The entire front of the store had nothing but RGV everywhere. It was not easy finding merchandise that said "Marquette" on it. RGV tables probably took up 25% of the store footprint, and when 20% is youth apparel, 20% is non-clothing merch, and 20% is the checkout counter, that doesn't leave much space for fans just looking for Marquette clothing.

And the public comments that surrounded it, from the interview with Broeker to Big East Media Day to the open scrimmages, it was very clear that when they say RGV, what they mean is recruiting players strictly from high school and developing them through their 4-5 year college careers.

People that didn't make it to campus or see how hard the Spirit Shop and website were pushing that crap may not realize how pervasive it was to the brand and how they were trying to eclipse the Marquette brand with RGV.

And no, I'm not being hyperbolic in the least.

If Shaka is going to salvage his program at Marquette, he needs to disconnect his RGV roster building model from the tenets of relationships/growth/victory. Yes, you can have good culture and use the portal, but it was very obvious that wasn't what RGV was about and why it was so widely ridiculed, especially as public comments on it persisted through the November-January losses.

I think the RGV branding is dumb, but it's also a fundraiser for the Bo and Candy Ellis student success fund. Not sure how much the university is making in profit.

[The Sultan]

I'm going to guess you didn't spend much time on campus this past Fall, at the Spirit Shop, or the online store.

The disconnect is that using lower case relationship building to foster growth and believing that will lead to victory is plausible with transfers. But that's not what the staff has been talking about and not what critics of the model are talking about.

If you were in the Spirit Shop in Fall when they launched the upper case RGV line, honestly, it was offensive. The entire front of the store had nothing but RGV everywhere. It was not easy finding merchandise that said "Marquette" on it. RGV tables probably took up 25% of the store footprint, and when 20% is youth apparel, 20% is non-clothing merch, and 20% is the checkout counter, that doesn't leave much space for fans just looking for Marquette clothing.

And the public comments that surrounded it, from the interview with Broeker to Big East Media Day to the open scrimmages, it was very clear that when they say RGV, what they mean is recruiting players strictly from high school and developing them through their 4-5 year college careers.

People that didn't make it to campus or see how hard the Spirit Shop and website were pushing that crap may not realize how pervasive it was to the brand and how they were trying to eclipse the Marquette brand with RGV.

And no, I'm not being hyperbolic in the least.

If Shaka is going to salvage his program at Marquette, he needs to disconnect his RGV roster building model from the tenets of relationships/growth/victory. Yes, you can have good culture and use the portal, but it was very obvious that wasn't what RGV was about and why it was so widely ridiculed, especially as public comments on it persisted through the November-January losses.

brew, I have not been on campus or to a game at FF in over two years, so I have not seen the branding - though I have heard about it and think it's tone deaf. Marquette fans care about winning and transfers have been part of the winning program for years.

That being said, my point isn't that RGV is a poor marketing slogan, but that Shaka isn't going to be tied to his version of RGV and go down with the ship in the process. At least I don't think he will....

Regardless, this is one of the reasons I think Marquette would have been well served to hire an outside athletic director.

[brewcity77]

brew, I have not been on campus or to a game at FF in over two years, so I have not seen the branding - though I have heard about it and think it's tone deaf. Marquette fans care about winning and transfers have been part of the winning program for years.

That being said, my point isn't that RGV is a poor marketing slogan, but that Shaka isn't going to be tied to his version of RGV and go down with the ship in the process. At least I don't think he will....

Regardless, this is one of the reasons I think Marquette would have been well served to hire an outside athletic director.

If he is, his tenure won't last much longer here. But I would definitely argue that just saying the words behind "RGV" have become a negative punch line, especially as the marketing push coincided with the worst season at Marquette since Bob Dukiet.

1000% on the bolded.

[Jay Bee]

If you were in the Spirit Shop in Fall when they launched the upper case RGV line, honestly, it was offensive.

Quote of the month??

[tower912]

What if they had been serving complimentary hot dogs?

As opposed to complementary hot dogs, ones that really complete the ensemble.

[Scoop Snoop]

What of they had been serving complimentary hot dogs?

As opposed to complementary hot dogs, ones that really complete the ensemble.

Wait! You might be on to something here. RGV hot dogs. RGV beer. RGV pizza. RGV brats. All should be available at Marquette's games. 

[tower912]

Only of I can put ketchup on the hot dogs and brats, as well as ranch on the pizza.

[Jay Bee]

Why does tower keep using "of" instead of "if"?

#OFfensive

[tower912]

Fat thombs

[Scoop Snoop]

Why does tower keep using "of" instead of "if"?

#OFfensive

What of it? If Tower uses of instead of if, of course he can if he wants to.

[tower912]

Thank yiu