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Viper

#125
February 11, 2026, 02:23:38 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 11, 2026, 10:26:26 AMYou don't think Marquette would be able to offer them $1 million?
can? Sure. Would they? Maybe. I assume a 20 loss season puts some warmth on the coaches seat and doesn't necessarily offer leverage for big $ to players either. James might be that exception.
Better dead, than RED

The Sultan

#126
February 11, 2026, 02:23:48 PM
Quote from: Viper on February 11, 2026, 02:13:16 PMI'll ask again...what are you arguing?

That it's a great example of how free throw shooting isn't all that important to the eventual outcome.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

brewcity77

#127
February 11, 2026, 03:06:50 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2026, 10:26:37 PM100% agree.  Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.

This team has improved in season. If we go to the portal, there's reason for optimism next season and Shaka can salvage this. But regardless, no one can have two seasons like this at Marquette and keep the job. No one.

BM1090

#128
February 11, 2026, 03:10:30 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2026, 10:26:37 PM100% agree.  Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.



He should be. I'm a huge Shaka defender and would love him to be here a long time. But if he has another season like THIS? He has to be gone.

If we improve to a bubble team and miss the tournament and it's clear we're going to continue to get better? Then of course he should stay.

WhiteTrash

#129
February 11, 2026, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2026, 10:26:37 PM100% agree.  Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.


Who cares if some Scoopers think he will be gone with another 20+ loss season?

The people who will make that decision are the ones that matter. IMO, I'd give him less than a 10% chance of surviving back to back 20+ loss seasons. I think the dollars are to big for MU to "let it eventually work itself out".

I'm not saying it would be the right choice to let him go, but consecutive historically bad seasons will cancel out the good he has done. I don't think I'd have a valid argument against his dismissal.

That said, I'd give it about a 5% chance of happening again, so nothing to worry about.

The Sultan

#130
February 11, 2026, 03:51:14 PM Last Edit: February 11, 2026, 03:58:34 PM by The Sultan
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2026, 10:26:37 PM100% agree.  Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.

Why do you do this? Is this lying intentional or do you seriously not have the ability to understand what I said? I never said I wanted him fired.

I said he likely would be.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Pakuni

#131
February 11, 2026, 03:53:50 PM
Quote from: BM1090 on February 11, 2026, 03:10:30 PMHe should be. I'm a huge Shaka defender and would love him to be here a long time. But if he has another season like THIS? He has to be gone.

If we improve to a bubble team and miss the tournament and it's clear we're going to continue to get better? Then of course he should stay.

Yep.
I have a hard time imagining any school that's serious about basketball retaining a coach after consecutive 20-loss seasons. Believing that coach wouldn't even be on the hot seat, as a certain someone seems to, is wild. Marquette hasn't had a coach survive back-to-back 15-loss seasons, much less 20.

#UnleashJosh

#132
February 11, 2026, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 10, 2026, 10:26:37 PM100% agree.  Yet we have dense Scoopers like Pakuni, Sultan, Brewcity, Onepost, who think Shaka should be fired if he has another bad season next year.



A coach with 20 losses two seasons in a row should be fired.

What's strange, is all the guys you mentioned were big into NOT firing wojo for waaaaay to long.

The Sultan

#133
February 11, 2026, 04:13:58 PM
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on February 11, 2026, 03:58:44 PMA coach with 20 losses two seasons in a row should be fired.

What's strange, is all the guys you mentioned were big into NOT firing wojo for waaaaay to long.


When would you have fired him? At best you could make the argument that he could have been fired a season earlier, but Marquette was going to make the tournament that season had COVID not been a thing.

But they weren't going to fire him coming off a tournament birth, nor after the NIT run in 2017-18.
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Pakuni

#134
February 11, 2026, 04:22:51 PM
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BM1090

#135
February 11, 2026, 05:09:02 PM
The Wojo issue was tough because you could watch and see the process was never going to be enough to get us to consistently good/great. But the actual, on-paper results weren't THAT bad. 2015 was a free year. 2016 we won 20 games. 2017 was better than 2016. 2018 slight step back, but then a huge bump in 2019 and a tournament caliber team in 2020.

He was JUST good enough to not get fired. And then he had a year under .500 and he was gone immediately.

Which again, shows that Shaka should not survive another year of this. He's earned a leash. But not one long enough to withstand two years of under .500 basketball

Small Orange Soda

#136
Today at 03:52:54 AM
2015 wasn't a free year. It was a massive red flag.

The Sultan

#137
Today at 04:35:31 AM
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on Today at 03:52:54 AM2015 wasn't a free year. It was a massive red flag.

His first season. lol. Ok...
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jay Bee

#138
Today at 11:52:48 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on February 11, 2026, 04:13:58 PMBut they weren't going to fire him coming off a tournament birth

*berth
The portal is NOT closed.

#UnleashJosh

#139
Today at 12:27:37 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on February 11, 2026, 04:13:58 PMWhen would you have fired him? At best you could make the argument that he could have been fired a season earlier, but Marquette was going to make the tournament that season had COVID not been a thing.

But they weren't going to fire him coming off a tournament birth, nor after the NIT run in 2017-18.

Not firing him because he MADE the tournament, and for an NIT run (freakin lol mate) is the absolute peak for loving mediocrity.

#UnleashJosh

#140
Today at 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 04:35:31 AMHis first season. lol. Ok...

Forgetting the score and telling his team to foul was probably the most obvious sign that the Wojo had lost the mojo.

Galway Eagle

#141
Today at 01:04:49 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 10, 2026, 08:52:07 PMNobody thinks it's okay. People realize it's not changing this season. There's a difference.

We're seeing what happens with upper classmen who have never been "the guy" and aren't able to step into that role ass seniors. Hopefully these are growing pains for the underclassmen so they can win games down the stretch in future years.

This is an interesting concept. When I was young I took it that someone was always in waiting, 3 amigos to lazar to Jimmy to Jae/DJO to Vander but it sounds like you're saying that's more of an exception than the rule? Essentially a rebuild will always happen after a star graduates?
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NCMUFan

#142
Today at 01:19:45 PM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 01:04:49 PMThis is an interesting concept. When I was young I took it that someone was always in waiting, 3 amigos to lazar to Jimmy to Jae/DJO to Vander but it sounds like you're saying that's more of an exception than the rule? Essentially a rebuild will always happen after a star graduates?
I think it can go either way with 50/50 chance.
Dominic James was BE Freshman of the Year.  Everyone thought he was going pro after 1st season.
Didn't seem to improve offensively his next 3 years, however, defense may have been another story.
Then look at Jimmy Butler.  Everyone thought Joe Fulce was going to be the Junior College star.  Jimmy was an off the bench player his first year, but a star by senior year.

Pakuni

#143
Today at 01:41:10 PM
Quote from: #UnleashJosh on Today at 12:27:37 PMNot firing him because he MADE the tournament, and for an NIT run (freakin lol mate) is the absolute peak for loving mediocrity.


Barring scandal, when was the last time a team fired its coach immediately after a 24-win season?
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