Clearly Shaka is trying to rehabilitate.....

[Scoop Snoop]

If he could not go elsewhere and is cut, but smart, he would take his NIL/Revenue share and pay for his last year of tuition and graduate.

Not sure you needed to use teal. 

In some cases, Marquette may be get played by the players. 

The use of the term "running off" in reference to what some here think Shaka would not do? Nothing beats using a loaded expression to make your point, huh? He can make the final decision quietly, inform the player, and make it look like it was the player's decision. I am sure he would help the player find a good landing spot, and the departure would not need to be referred to as being "run off".   

[UWW2MU]

Man... now you guys are turning on Clark??  The redshirt freshman getting his first game minutes in D1 college basketball this season??  No chance for him to get minutes to get comfortable?

What the hell kind of expectations do you guys have?

And seriously, the talk regarding Sean Jones... dude has been riddled with injuries which sucks for him, the team, and the fans.  But to say he's not a BE player?  I mean, the kid had some serious upside potential and his injuries prevented us from seeing that potential fulfill.  BOO FRIGGEN HOO to you "fans"

The way some of you talk around here and on social media make you look like morons and a-holes who don't appreciate the nuances of the game, the strategy and advantages of Shaka's system (only focusing on the cons), and the reality of the NIL era. 

You all need to be mindful of what you wish for and take care that you're not part of the cadre of entitled fans who are going to actually help drive away our highest potential players that we all want to stick around.  You think Nigel enjoys seeing social media "fans" who talk absolute garbage about teammates he cares about?  Reality check, players and teams READ social media and message board posts. 

If you can't help but to be a jackass, then go back to your parents basements and stay off the internet until you learn how to cope with one singular blown up year.

[1SE]

Well, then they better start defending and rebounding.

And it would be nice if they could shoot over 50% at the rim, too.

Sample size way too small, but Josh's rebounding numbers are ELITE. that's why it would be great to see how they hold up in some extended run - certainly the rest of game isn't any WORSE than Caedins - why he doesn't get all those minutes I can't understand...

[Pakuni]

Pakuni, point taken, but with 15 Scholarships that 14th or 15th guy just might be a diamond in the rough. By year 3 (1 RS year) you should know if he is contributing. If he could not go elsewhere and is cut, but smart, he would take his NIL/Revenue share and pay for his last year of tuition and graduate.

My point is, as rocky alludes to, let the diamonds in the rough go play a couple years in the Big West or the MAC, and if they develop into high-major talents there, go snag one from the portal. Let someone else bear the risk of the player not panning out and spend your resources on players capable of contributing from the minute they arrive campus. (Note: Contribute doesn't mean star or even start, but be a part of a regular rotation).
I don't see much benefit in paying multiple players not to play, in hopes they might be help in 3-4 years.

[muwarrior69]

My point is, as rocky alludes to, let the diamonds in the rough go play a couple years in the Big West or the MAC, and if they develop into high-major talents there, go snag one from the portal. Let someone else bear the risk of the player not panning out and spend your resources on players capable of contributing from the minute they arrive campus. (Note: Contribute doesn't mean star or even start, but be a part of a regular rotation).
I don't see much benefit in paying multiple players not to play, in hopes they might be help in 3-4 years.

...but what the players are being paid is not known and how many 14 and 15 guys sitting on the bench are part of the regular rotation? 

[Pakuni]

...but what the players are being paid is not known and how many 14 and 15 guys sitting on the bench are part of the regular rotation?

There's no rule that says you have to have 14 or 15 scholarship players. I think it's a waste in this environment. MU has a finite pool of resources. Rather than spending some of them on 13th, 14th and 15th players who don't leave the bench and might contribute three years down the line, invest more in the players who have a role now or are expected to in the very near future.
Using Josh as an example ... if he becomes an Ousmane Barro-type his last two years, is that production worth five years of investment? I'd argue it isn't because you can go find an Ousmane Barro-type every couple years in the portal.

[Markusquette]

I'd still like to keep Clark. There's something there. I think he's two years away, but no harm in keeping him as a 3rd center and letting him develop. They just need to upgrade the spots in front of him.

I'd be OK with that assuming they can bring in some skill and experience ahead of him as you said. Clark is what, 7'2"? I don't see it amounting to much but will happily eat crow later on.

[BM1090]

I'd be OK with that assuming they can bring in some skill and experience ahead of him as you said. Clark is what, 7'2"? I don't see it amounting to much but will happily eat crow later on.

Yeah, it could go either way. But he plays 5 MPG when he plays and he typically makes an impact blocking and altering shots. He also had 6 rebounds and and 2 steals against UConn in 13 minutes.

And he clearly doesn't have much of an idea what he's doing out there. Once he actually learns, I could see him being a good center.

Whereas with Hamilton, I just don't see any world he turns into a serviceable player.

[Newsdreams]

Man... now you guys are turning on Clark??  The redshirt freshman getting his first game minutes in D1 college basketball this season??  No chance for him to get minutes to get comfortable?

What the hell kind of expectations do you guys have?

And seriously, the talk regarding Sean Jones... dude has been riddled with injuries which sucks for him, the team, and the fans.  But to say he's not a BE player?  I mean, the kid had some serious upside potential and his injuries prevented us from seeing that potential fulfill.  BOO FRIGGEN HOO to you "fans"

The way some of you talk around here and on social media make you look like morons and a-holes who don't appreciate the nuances of the game, the strategy and advantages of Shaka's system (only focusing on the cons), and the reality of the NIL era. 

You all need to be mindful of what you wish for and take care that you're not part of the cadre of entitled fans who are going to actually help drive away our highest potential players that we all want to stick around.  You think Nigel enjoys seeing social media "fans" who talk absolute garbage about teammates he cares about?  Reality check, players and teams READ social media and message board posts. 

If you can't help but to be a jackass, then go back to your parents basements and stay off the internet until you learn how to cope with one singular blown up year.

I want MU to embrace the bulls approach

[Scoop Snoop]

I want MU to embrace the bulls approach

I was surprised that I didn't figure it out sooner, but the poster's style of ranting with a sh!tload of insults gives her away. None other than Karoline herself. 

[Markusquette]

Yeah, it could go either way. But he plays 5 MPG when he plays and he typically makes an impact blocking and altering shots. He also had 6 rebounds and and 2 steals against UConn in 13 minutes.

And he clearly doesn't have much of an idea what he's doing out there. Once he actually learns, I could see him being a good center.

Whereas with Hamilton, I just don't see any world he turns into a serviceable player.

His length alone makes it worth cutting into Hamilton's minutes. Granted, Hamilton's minutes are few and far between for good reason now. I wish we got to see a little more of Josh early on. If he can be Kur Kuath type that would be serviceable.

[Jay Bee]

I wish we got to see a little more of Josh early on. If he can be Kur Kuath type that would be serviceable.

Cannot. Could hope one day he can convert 2FGAs at a similar rate, and can block shots, but so different.

Kur was not a guy who could excel when it comes to defensive rebounds. Josh can put up monster numbers. It's just the... other stuff... that is a concern.

[tower912]

Man... now you guys are turning on Clark??  The redshirt freshman getting his first game minutes in D1 college basketball this season??  No chance for him to get minutes to get comfortable?

What the hell kind of expectations do you guys have?

And seriously, the talk regarding Sean Jones... dude has been riddled with injuries which sucks for him, the team, and the fans.  But to say he's not a BE player?  I mean, the kid had some serious upside potential and his injuries prevented us from seeing that potential fulfill.  BOO FRIGGEN HOO to you "fans"

The way some of you talk around here and on social media make you look like morons and a-holes who don't appreciate the nuances of the game, the strategy and advantages of Shaka's system (only focusing on the cons), and the reality of the NIL era. 

You all need to be mindful of what you wish for and take care that you're not part of the cadre of entitled fans who are going to actually help drive away our highest potential players that we all want to stick around.  You think Nigel enjoys seeing social media "fans" who talk absolute garbage about teammates he cares about?  Reality check, players and teams READ social media and message board posts. 

If you can't help but to be a jackass, then go back to your parents basements and stay off the internet until you learn how to cope with one singular blown up year.

Amen

[Pakuni]

Man... now you guys are turning on Clark??  The redshirt freshman getting his first game minutes in D1 college basketball this season??  No chance for him to get minutes to get comfortable?

What the hell kind of expectations do you guys have?

And seriously, the talk regarding Sean Jones... dude has been riddled with injuries which sucks for him, the team, and the fans.  But to say he's not a BE player?  I mean, the kid had some serious upside potential and his injuries prevented us from seeing that potential fulfill.  BOO FRIGGEN HOO to you "fans"

The way some of you talk around here and on social media make you look like morons and a-holes who don't appreciate the nuances of the game, the strategy and advantages of Shaka's system (only focusing on the cons), and the reality of the NIL era. 

You all need to be mindful of what you wish for and take care that you're not part of the cadre of entitled fans who are going to actually help drive away our highest potential players that we all want to stick around.  You think Nigel enjoys seeing social media "fans" who talk absolute garbage about teammates he cares about?  Reality check, players and teams READ social media and message board posts.

The fan police have weighed in to let us know how we should think.

Though Nigel James leaving Marquette because people on Scoop aren't nice enough to bad players is a new wrinkle I  hadn't thought of. Hopefully he's happier where fans are effusive in their praise for subpar performance.  Maybe Kentucky or Kansas will suit him batter.

[panda]

Man... now you guys are turning on Clark??  The redshirt freshman getting his first game minutes in D1 college basketball this season??  No chance for him to get minutes to get comfortable?

What the hell kind of expectations do you guys have?

And seriously, the talk regarding Sean Jones... dude has been riddled with injuries which sucks for him, the team, and the fans.  But to say he's not a BE player?  I mean, the kid had some serious upside potential and his injuries prevented us from seeing that potential fulfill.  BOO FRIGGEN HOO to you "fans"

The way some of you talk around here and on social media make you look like morons and a-holes who don't appreciate the nuances of the game, the strategy and advantages of Shaka's system (only focusing on the cons), and the reality of the NIL era. 

You all need to be mindful of what you wish for and take care that you're not part of the cadre of entitled fans who are going to actually help drive away our highest potential players that we all want to stick around.  You think Nigel enjoys seeing social media "fans" who talk absolute garbage about teammates he cares about?  Reality check, players and teams READ social media and message board posts. 

If you can't help but to be a jackass, then go back to your parents basements and stay off the internet until you learn how to cope with one singular blown up year.

Sir this is one of the worst Marquette teams of the last 30 years with probably one of, if not the worst scholarship player to ever put the uniform on. That player is ahead of Josh Clark on the depth chart and Clark can barely put together more than 5 consecutive minutes on the floor. In this day and age, there is no reason to carry a player like that on a high major roster. It's not mean its reality.

As for Sean Jones, he may have had BE potential, but following his injuries, that is long gone. Again not mean, but real.

[UWW2MU]

The fan police have weighed in to let us know how we should think.

Though Nigel James leaving Marquette because people on Scoop aren't nice enough to bad players is a new wrinkle I  hadn't thought of. Hopefully he's happier where fans are effusive in their praise for subpar performance.  Maybe Kentucky or Kansas will suit him batter.

Shaka, players, and others associated with the program have literally stated that the toxicity, trolling, and general a-holeness (my term) on social media has absolutely had a negative affect on the players.  Is that hard to believe? 

[tower912]

Pakuni, you ARE the fan police.

[UWW2MU]

Sir this is one of the worst Marquette teams of the last 30 years with probably one of, if not the worst scholarship player to ever put the uniform on. That player is ahead of Josh Clark on the depth chart and Clark can barely put together more than 5 consecutive minutes on the floor. In this day and age, there is no reason to carry a player like that on a high major roster. It's not mean its reality.

As for Sean Jones, he may have had BE potential, but following his injuries, that is long gone. Again not mean, but real.

Absolutely, I think this is reasonable.  I was referring to people calling for Clark to be cut or "pushed out" without giving him a chance.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sir this is one of the worst Marquette teams of the last 30 years with probably one of, if not the worst scholarship player to ever put the uniform on. That player is ahead of Josh Clark on the depth chart and Clark can barely put together more than 5 consecutive minutes on the floor. In this day and age, there is no reason to carry a player like that on a high major roster. It's not mean its reality.

As for Sean Jones, he may have had BE potential, but following his injuries, that is long gone. Again not mean, but real.

With 15 spots you can carry a Josh Clark.  You can't, however, have two solid role players as your seniors and a complete zero from your junior class. 

[panda]

With 15 spots you can carry a Josh Clark.  You can't, however, have two solid role players as your seniors and a complete zero from your junior class. 

Difference of opinion, but I don't see the need to fill every single roster spot every single year.

Conversely, I can see why Shaka likes to do it from a relationship and program building perspective.

[Markusquette]

Absolutely, I think this is reasonable.  I was referring to people calling for Clark to be cut or "pushed out" without giving him a chance.

So which is reasonable? The part about Jones' injury history, Clark not being able to get minutes over Hamilton, or both?

Given Shaka's poor track record with project bigs at MU thus far, and no interest from other programs, I find it reasonable to wonder about Clark. Would love to see him show some flashes well before year 3 or 4 in the program.

[Pakuni]

Shaka, players, and others associated with the program have literally stated that the toxicity, trolling, and general a-holeness (my term) on social media has absolutely had a negative affect on the players.  Is that hard to believe?

No, but that's not what you said.
You suggested that what fans say here might "drive away" high-potential players we want to stay, and specifically cited Nigel as an example.
I agree that players should stay away from social media, both the criticism and (as Saban would say) the rat poison. But fans shouldn't avoid legitimate criticism of players or the program out of fear that feelings might get hurt.

Also, if you think Marquette fans are unusually or uniquely toxic, troll-ish a--holes, you should spend time on some other team's message boards. We're kittens compared to many.

[Pakuni]

Pakuni, you ARE the fan police.

Examples or GTFOH.

[tower912]

LMFAO.   And check your inbox.

[muwarrior69]

Shaka, players, and others associated with the program have literally stated that the toxicity, trolling, and general a-holeness (my term) on social media has absolutely had a negative affect on the players.  Is that hard to believe?

NJ appears to be playing fine with no adverse affects from social media I would add even RP as of late. If social media had that affect Jackie Robinson would have never made it in baseball. In fact he had it worse. He had it in his face on and off the field.