Radio show 2/5

[tower912]

You sure?

https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/10/17/mens-basketball-2025-big-east-media-day-attendees-announced.aspx

My bad.  Mandela effect.

[wadesworld]

If it was Tre, my mistake.

But no, coaches are not supposed to hype players. Coaches are supposed to protect players. Setting unrealistic expectations for a player only serves to increase the scrutiny and criticism of the player if he underperforms. It's setting up  a kid for failure.
The lasting memory of Caedin Hamilton's time at Marquette likely won't be anything he did on the court, it will be 10,000 hook shots and "well-embedded moles." And that's on Shaka.

I'm guessing 90+% of Marquette basketball fans have no clue what "well embedded moles" referred to, what those moles said, or that Caiden made 10K hook shots. On Scoop maybe that's what he'll be remembered for but to the vast majority of MU fans, no.

[Markusquette]

It's fine to acknowledge hard work and sing their praises in a controlled public manner.

Going back and re-reading the October article on RGV and Hamilton's so-called explosive growth borders on comedic. It's almost hard to believe part of his ritual was just yelling out that he's the biggest baddest motherf#%ker and taking a bunch of hook shots (has even attempted a hook shot this season?).

[The Sultan]

I'm guessing 90+% of Marquette basketball fans have no clue what "well embedded moles" referred to, what those moles said, or that Caiden made 10K hook shots. On Scoop maybe that's what he'll be remembered for but to the vast majority of MU fans, no.

Right. The other 90% of Marquette fans will view him as a pretty bad player. So much better.

[tower912]

He has tried many hook shots this season.  Often instead of a simpler shot.

[The Sultan]

He has tried many hook shots this season.  Often instead of a simpler shot.

Well at least he tried.

[wadesworld]

Right. The other 90% of Marquette fans will view him as a pretty bad player. So much better.

Sure. But nobody will really think about him much after he leaves. How often do you think about Erik Williams or Patrick Hazel?

[The Sultan]

Sure. But nobody will really think about him much after he leaves. How often do you think about Erik Williams or Patrick Hazel?

Rarely. But what is your point exactly? That will be as forgettable as Erik Williams and Patrick Hazel?

[wadesworld]

Rarely. But what is your point exactly? That will be as forgettable as Erik Williams and Patrick Hazel?

Yes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."

[The Sultan]

Yes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."

Setting unrealistic expectations of a player isn't helpful at all. Again, this is a strange hill to die on.

[wadesworld]

Setting unrealistic expectations of a player isn't helpful at all. Again, this is a strange hill to die on.

Not dying on a hill. Just not overreacting to something that hasn't changed anything about the player or this team.

[WhiteTrash]

Not dying on a hill. Just not overreacting to something that hasn't changed anything about the player or this team.

So just dismiss Shaka's comments on players going forward?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

So just dismiss Shaka's comments on players going forward?

I'd just take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it's Rothstein posting about his well-embedded moles. 

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

I remember Shaka, before the season, saying how Nigel and Adrien were going to play a lot this year.

Nevada Smith was also hyping Nigel in preseason.

Were those instances ok?  Or was it a warning sign that our returners weren't improving as much as hoped?

[Pakuni]

Yes. That people are overreacting to how "harmful" Shaka has been to Caedin by talking him up to "well embedded moles."

Harmful seems subjective here, but he did Caedin no favors by creating lofty expectations that he couldn't meet.
As PT said, Shaka and staff made Caedin the face of this year's failures. That seems unfair to Caedin, as he's just one of several players who've underperformed ... and he's probably underperformed less than others relative to talent.
Is that harmful? YMMV

[brewcity77]

I'd just take everything with a grain of salt, especially if it's Rothstein posting about his well-embedded moles. 

I mean, it wasn't the "well-embedded moles" it was Shaka saying Caedin's name first or second as a major impact guy every interview leading up to the season. At Big East media day, to Norlander, at the public events, it was a constant repeated mantra. And he reinforced that mistaken belief by starting him the first 17 games of the season.

The comments didn't help Caedin. What seems to be the staff's incredibly inaccurate assessment of his ability did, and that was reinforced the more they tried to make him into something he wasn't.

Through Dec 21, Caedin played double digits in all 13 games and we were #159 in Torvik during that time. Since then he's played double digits in 2/10 games & we rank #66. Maybe that is coincidence, but the misevaluation and the steadfast efforts to push Caedin into that role seem to have been harmful to the team.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I mean, it wasn't the "well-embedded moles" it was Shaka saying Caedin's name first or second as a major impact guy every interview leading up to the season. At Big East media day, to Norlander, at the public events, it was a constant repeated mantra. And he reinforced that mistaken belief by starting him the first 17 games of the season.

The comments didn't help Caedin. What seems to be the staff's incredibly inaccurate assessment of his ability did, and that was reinforced the more they tried to make him into something he wasn't.

Through Dec 21, Caedin played double digits in all 13 games and we were #159 in Torvik during that time. Since then he's played double digits in 2/10 games & we rank #66. Maybe that is coincidence, but the misevaluation and the steadfast efforts to push Caedin into that role seem to have been harmful to the team.

I wasn't referring specifically to Caedin.

[DoctorV]

All is to say that fetch didn't happen after all.

Happy National Marquette Day Yall!

[rocky_warrior]

So I read all this, and the best takeaway is that Nash is better than Tre?


Yay.