I know this is harsh but.....

[Big Papi]

The rotation on D has been better in spurts and was not bad in the first half.  It needs to be better and more consistent. 

Less subbing in second half might have led to being more tired.  I don't know.

A little harsh on Ross here.  I agree he has been a huge disappointment this year especially when the opponents got tougher.  He is a good 3rd or 4th option which is what he has become.  For RGV to have worked he needed to be an alpha. He never had the belief in himself that he was.  Shaka expected that growth in him and got burned.

Gold needed to step up as well and didn't.  Plays out of position and Shaka needed to use him more down low offensively throughout his 4 years here.

All of this is on Shaka.  He knew what he had.  Mismanaged the roster and coaching and expectations of some of his players.

Let's hope he gets that fixed for next year.

[MuggsyB]

I suppose I'm biased but I truly feel we threw this game away.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Feel Marquette played very well under Shaka his first four years. But this year Shaka has not just been bad he has been very bad.

[79Warrior]

Chase Ross is the most athletic bad player MU has ever had.  Wally was better. Chase is now the worst player on the court except when Hamilton plays.

So often he plays out of control. I would not expect that from a senior.

[79Warrior]

I suppose I'm biased but I truly feel we threw this game away.

If you would have told me MU would be 11-19 from 3, I would have asked how much did we win by.

[MuggsyB]

So often he plays out of control. I would not expect that from a senior.

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He's extremely ineffective as an iso player.  I'm not sure why he's trying to make plays off the dribble to close games. 

[HutchwasClutch]

I think he is still leading the Big East in 2 pt shooting percentage.  I know he was a couple of games ago. 

Yeah, great, well he's 19% (9/47) from three in Big East play and that was actually improved after today.  He was sitting at 15% entering today.

[GoldenEagles03]

It's Shaka's fault for being so loyal, but what is he supposed to do in-game?

This team sucks. We don't have a post presence and our Seniors have no idea how to impact a game. After the Seniors we have 1 Junior that quit, 1 that hasn't played in a month, and another that gets 0 minutes when healthy.

A roster construction malpractice, but what is he honestly supposed to do about it now? It is what it is until he has a chance to fix it in April. If he chooses again not to fix it, it'll be see ya later.

[Markusquette]

Normally I'm sad to see the seniors leave but this year will be an exception. Appreciate their efforts and I'll put more blame on the coach for the malpractice assembling this roster.

[nyg]

I think he is still leading the Big East in 2 pt shooting percentage.  I know he was a couple of games ago. 

He was, but in last two games, he has taken 13 shots, 11 three attempts. He is around 70% on year for taken threes on field goal attempts.  If MU had recruited a big to play the middle, then Gold could have played outside more and maybe that would have helped him. 

[HutchwasClutch]

He was, but in last two games, he has taken 13 shots, 11 three attempts. He is around 70% on year for taken threes on field goal attempts.  If MU had recruited a big to play the middle, then Gold could have played outside more and maybe that would have helped him.

Doubtful.  He's had PLENTY of good looks all season.  It's not like defenses have to or are giving any special attention to him from anywhere on the court, especially beyond the arc.  It's totally on Ben his horrendous shooting performance. 

[MarquetteMike1977]

Agree Muggsy and also agree we would be worse without them this year since they are all we have. They have regressed although Ben made 3 triples this game but Ben had just 2 rebounds.  Chase had 1 REBOUND in 36 minutes which is not sticking his nose in there and not fighting.

[willie warrior]

Nigel had a tough game today from a decision making standpoint.  But he'll learn.  What continues to boggle my mind is the extended high hedge by Ben, and our help when he's isolated up top.  I don't get it. Even when the trap is for an eternity it's a weak ass trap.  Makes zero sense, and that's on Shaka.

There is a ton of stuff on Shaka. This team has been coached piss poorly.

[MarquetteMike1977]

This may be harsh but speaking of harsh feel Marquette's NET Kenpom and Record would be better without although not their fault and love them Sean and Caedin playing, no offense and no pun intended. And Marquette would be better of course it has been said many times by many with the addition of Transfers.

[connie]

Normally I'm sad to see the seniors leave but this year will be an exception. Appreciate their efforts and I'll put more blame on the coach for the malpractice assembling this roster.

Wait until next year!

[Newsdreams]

So, if you don't have the personnel, shouldn't you abandon it?  Correct, our help D is historically putrid.   And btw the high hedge isn't disrupting the ball handler at all.  I think the whole thing is a complete disaster. 

Correct, I don't understand why it keeps on being done, gets Ben in a really bad position. He has to also spend a lot of energy.

[1SE]

So, if you don't have the personnel, shouldn't you abandon it?  Correct, our help D is historically putrid.   And btw the high hedge isn't disrupting the ball handler at all.  I think the whole thing is a complete disaster. 

Sorry  had game on delay and didn't see this discussion or.wouldnt haven't started other topic. But I also.just cannot understand this - those two.posessions lost.us the game. Does Shaka actually think.Ben can be effective there or are they just not listening to Shaka? Neither answer is great.

Ben's tries.hard and seems like a nice kid, but he brings very limited thing to the team 2 rebounds in, what, 35 minutes from a 5 isn't great...

[Shooter McGavin]

It is a little harsh, but we'd be even worse without both of them this year. 

It's the reality we have.

This is definitely true this year. But next year they should be easily replaced through the  portal.  Easily two of the biggest reasons for our poor record.  But need them for functional depth at this point.  They are better than Tre and Caedin. 

[connie]

Referring to our 2 seniors as "functional depth" does explain what we are dealing with this year.

[tower912]

On this team, taking out Ben and Chase and you end up giving max minutes to Tre, Caedin, and Josh.

Genius.

As far as having a big switch and end up on the perimeter, it happened under Buzz.  It happened under Wojo.  It happened the first 4 years under Shaka.  It is frequently the goal of the offense to force switches and create mismatches.

[panda]

When does the federal investigation start on Ross? That's the only plausible explanation for his fall off after an incredible start this season.

[Small Orange Soda]

While I'm happy about the progress the underclassmen have show these last few weeks, it does make me wonder where we'd be right now if the upperclassmen had just been able to weather the storm the first half of the season. Going 3-3 in the non buy games in the non conference was certainly not a tall task, instead 0-6. Could've gone into today's game at 4-4, instead 2-8.

Ross was a first team preseason Big East player, he won't even be third team. Ben has tossed up bricks at a rate even he hasn't shown before, and the third year guys have...well they lived down to expectations (putting faith in them was a foreseeable mistake). If only there had been some improvement from the upperclassmen we could've entered today in the same bubble position that Seton Hall did.

[vogue65]

Simple:
First half we run our stuff, in other words, in rhythm.
Second half S.H. brings chaos, mayhem as All-State says.  Marquette is not experienced playing city ball.  It can't be duplicated in practice.  X's and O's don't count end game.
At end game James plays a different game, his teammates haven't a clue.
In time it may work out.
Today at the end everyone on S,H, was moving while we were trying to control the outcome. 
Instinct will win most times.
St. John's is another team that brings it.

When I was active on Scoop I would say the administration wanted a prep school team.  Well here it is, enjoy.

[MuggsyB]

Agree Muggsy and also agree we would be worse without them this year since they are all we have. They have regressed although Ben made 3 triples this game but Ben had just 2 rebounds.  Chase had 1 REBOUND in 36 minutes which is not sticking his nose in there and not fighting.

Absolutely unbelievable.  Ty MM.  3 combined rebs for those guys????  This is indefensible imo. 

[MuggsyB]

Sorry  had game on delay and didn't see this discussion or.wouldnt haven't started other topic. But I also.just cannot understand this - those two.posessions lost.us the game. Does Shaka actually think.Ben can be effective there or are they just not listening to Shaka? Neither answer is great.

Ben's tries.hard and seems like a nice kid, but he brings very limited thing to the team 2 rebounds in, what, 35 minutes from a 5 isn't great...

The thing is, it's not what I would call a trap at all.  Ben didn't even have his hands up on that one 35 feet from the rim late in the game.  It was almost impossible not to score on that garbage.  I've asked very politely to 🪓 this strategy since Oso left.  It appears I have been ignored.