post modern Nietzschian dystopia

[Scoop Snoop]

This thread will likely be locked soon, so...

I believe I was far from alone in thinking that after the Nazis, Mussolini and Japanese militarism were defeated in WW 11, there would never be a return to fascism and authoritarianism in democratic countries, especially the U.S. And now? That take looks childishly naive. Our fearless leader refers to Putin as "my very good friend" and marveled that he was a "savvy genius" for conquering Ukraine territory. Now it is his turn to conquer, to take whatever he wants.

[Scoop Snoop]

Nice post TSmith. All I will add is that I think it is very possible that America's Hitler never would have come to power if the opposition offered candidates and programs, ideas, and policies that were acceptable to more voters. See my top signature. In another locked thread (this one is heading there) I wrote that I left the line on my ballot for presidential choice blank. I am so 'effing tired of being told that I have an obligation to pick a sh!tty alternate.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

This thread will likely be locked soon, so...

I believe I was far from alone in thinking that after the Nazis, Mussolini and Japanese militarism were defeated in WW 11, there would never be a return to fascism and authoritarianism in democratic countries, especially the U.S. And now? That take looks childishly naive. Our fearless leader refers to Putin as "my very good friend" and marveled that he was a "savvy genius" for conquering Ukraine territory. Now it is his turn to conquer, to take whatever he wants.

You would think. But, as someone else alluded to, there are fewer and fewer people alive that lived through it the last time.

And it seems to be a global historical cycle. The U.S. isn't the only country that has seen a rightward shift, we just are in the unique position of having the biggest and baddest economy and military in the history of the world.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Nice post TSmith. All I will add is that I think it is very possible that America's Hitler never would have come to power if the opposition offered candidates and programs, ideas, and policies that were acceptable to more voters. See my top signature. In another locked thread (this one is heading there) I wrote that I left the line on my ballot for presidential choice blank. I am so 'effing tired of being told that I have an obligation to pick a sh!tty alternate.

Believe me, I am utterly frustrated at the current crop of milquetoast Democratic "leaders". It's like someone when into a lab to create the most ineffectual leaders possible and came out with Jeffries and Schumer.

[cheebs09]

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[mu_hilltopper]

"Things are going to get unimaginably worse, and they are never, ever, going to get better."  ― Kurt Vonnegut

[jesmu84]

Nice post TSmith. All I will add is that I think it is very possible that America's Hitler never would have come to power if the opposition offered candidates and programs, ideas, and policies that were acceptable to more voters. See my top signature. In another locked thread (this one is heading there) I wrote that I left the line on my ballot for presidential choice blank. I am so 'effing tired of being told that I have an obligation to pick a sh!tty alternate.

I disagree.

The current regime wouldn't have come to power had politicians had backbone in 2021 and banned him from office or put him in jail for his crimes.

[Scoop Snoop]

I disagree.

The current regime wouldn't have come to power had politicians had backbone in 2021 and banned him from office or put him in jail for his crimes.

While your statement is true, there was no way in Hell that 2/3 of the Senate was ever going to convict. That's reality.

Talking At rather than With voters, lecturing them and attempting to shame them into voting for you and your agenda was Not a successful strategy. I think the Ds will probably win the next, but by default, not by conviction.

[hawk]

I think the present situation has been pretty well summed up, we are all just screwed.  I would agree that the next 4 to 6 years will be messy and unsatisfactory.  It seems to me as of now, that the most likely outcome over time is rule by the techno/AI class.  I can see a future more toward Eurosocialistic domestic policies.  It is hard to imagine the American people won't demand big changes in policy given the present situation with housing,health care costs and general living conditoons. It has been my observation that despite all the crys for freedom ppeople will give it up easily for the sense of security and well being.  Thew orld is complex and scary and mostly people just want to be taken care of.  The desire for a strong man is never really vanquished I think.  I think history is always optimistic because it is written by survivors, but that doesn't help those exerienced that history but did't survive.

[jesmu84]

I think the present situation has been pretty well summed up, we are all just screwed.  I would agree that the next 4 to 6 years will be messy and unsatisfactory.  It seems to me as of now, that the most likely outcome over time is rule by the techno/AI class.  I can see a future more toward Eurosocialistic domestic policies.  It is hard to imagine the American people won't demand big changes in policy given the present situation with housing,health care costs and general living conditoons. It has been my observation that despite all the crys for freedom ppeople will give it up easily for the sense of security and well being.  Thew orld is complex and scary and mostly people just want to be taken care of.  The desire for a strong man is never really vanquished I think.  I think history is always optimistic because it is written by survivors, but that doesn't help those exerienced that history but did't survive.

The techno/AI class does not believe in those policies

[TSmith34, Inc.]

The techno/AI class does not believe in those policies

Agree. Musk, Thiel, et al want a version of Libertarianism where all the spoils flow to them but no rules or regulations apply to them. Ain't no way they'll be in favor of a fairer tax policy, affordable healthcare, etc.in the European style.

[Scoop Snoop]

Agree. Musk, Thiel, et al want a version of Libertarianism where all the spoils flow to them but no rules or regulations apply to them. Ain't no way they'll be in favor of a fairer tax policy, affordable healthcare, etc.in the European style.

Libertarianism sounds great....until you dig a little deeper. I see it as political Darwinism.  Strict Libertarians are, if I recall, opposed to public schools.

[Shaka Shart]

As long as there's no DEI