[ESPN Milwaukee LOL] Marquette All Time Starting Five

[Galway Eagle]

You have 2 guys from the Al Era, so I'm going with you, not that young punk Galway.

Haha It was just a golden eagles roster! Didn't want to offend the sensibilities of any warriors on here

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Pg Butch Lee
Sg Dwayne Wade
Sf Don Kojis
Pf Maurice Lucas
C  Jimmy Chones

Tough to narrow list to five but any list has to consider Maurice Lucas. The guy defined the PF position.

[Billy Hoyle]

All time Golden Eagles roster:
 
Kolek (PG)
Markus (G)
Wade (G)
Jae (PF)
Oso (C)

Bench:
Lazar (PF)
Jerel (G)
DJO (G)
Kam (G)
Diener (PG)

would you consider players that were both Warriors and Golden Eagles? If so, I would add Tony Miller and Amal.

https://x.com/MUOverload/status/2013816850694455436

[lostpassword]

All time MU white guy starting five:

Kolek
Diener
Novak
Rand
McIlvaine

You forgot Murf

[Galway Eagle]

would you consider players that were both Warriors and Golden Eagles? If so, I would add Tony Miller and Amal.

https://x.com/MUOverload/status/2013816850694455436

Hmm probably. Not sure who I'd cut though. Would need to default to the expertise of someone who was there.

[Billy Hoyle]

Hmm probably. Not sure who I'd cut though. Would need to default to the expertise of someone who was there.

I would replace DJO with Miller.

Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.

I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.

[Nukem2]

You forgot Murf

6 th man.

[Shooter McGavin]

I would replace DJO with Miller.

Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.

I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.

Hutch was fun to watch.

[muwarrior69]

Yeah, this is a thread for July.

Hopefully in July will know if the program is going to compete in today's college sports environment and either celebrating or complaining about the direction of the program.

[#UnleashJosh]

Bunch of old boomers in here thinking Crowder and kolek wouldn't cook some dudes from the 70s lol

[Galway Eagle]

I would replace DJO with Miller.

Also, since 12 used to be the usual roster size, you could go with that.

I keep thinking Hutch needs to be on there somewhere, too.

I'll go with 12, I think DJO is underrated and people forget how great he was playing next to Jae his senior year, Jimmy & Jae junior year, and Lazar & Jimmy his freshman year. But he was the leading scorer in 2011 & 2012 and was an immediate key piece of the 2010 team to ease the pressure from lazar.

[NCMUFan]

Bunch of old boomers in here thinking Crowder and kolek wouldn't cook some dudes from the 70s lol

This is a good question.  When would the decline of the player skill levels occur? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago?  40 years ago?   I would love to see a 1970s Butch Lee and Maurice Lucas versus Crowder and Kolek.

[Newsdreams]

I went

PG: Kolek
SG: Wade
SF: Crowder
PF: Novak
C: Chones

Kolek shot 38% and 39% from 3 his final 2 years here and 3s play in the modern game. Novak is a lights out shooter around the playmaking Wade. Crowder can shoot and is sort of interchangable with Novak at the 3/4. Chones a double-double machine as a rim presence on both sides of the floor. Shooting, defense, athleticism, passing.

I also don't think those are the best 5, just a group of 5 I'd love to see play together.

If no Butch not legit

[MU82]

Butch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."
 

[brewcity77]

Butch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."

And what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.

[#UnleashJosh]

This is a good question.  When would the decline of the player skill levels occur? 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30 years ago?  40 years ago?   I would love to see a 1970s Butch Lee and Maurice Lucas versus Crowder and Kolek.

Probably somewhere in the 90s. There became a huge swing in trainings and practices. Plus the shear athletism of players now.

[tower912]

Probably somewhere in the 90s. There became a huge swing in trainings and practices. Plus the shear athletism of players now.

Bigger, faster, more agile trimming of sheep?

[#UnleashJosh]

Bigger, faster, more agile trimming of sheep?

[muwarrior69]

Butch Lee was the leading scorer for the only NCAA championship team in school history and national Player of the Year, but some here think he's not good enough to be on Marquette's all-time team because he's the choice of "old folks."

And what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.

...and not to mention he almost single handedly defeated the US Olympic team in 1976.

[MU82]

And what many may not realize is those were in separate seasons. He was MOP of the Final Four and 2nd Team All-American in 1977 and NPOY and 1st team All-American in 1978.

Yup. He had a tremendous career at Marquette and was one of those directly responsible for an incredibly successful era in the school's basketball history.

These things are always subjective, but it's objectively dopey to leave Butch Lee off of any all-time Marquette team. Lee and Wade are the only total no-brainers.

And FWIW, this isn't a matter of me stumping for a guy from my time at Marquette. I arrived on campus a few months after his eligibility ended.

[dgies9156]

THIS is the radio partner of Marquette basketball? FFS. One of these is right. The others, no chance.

https://x.com/espnmilwaukee/status/2013726962955509792?s=46&t=y09G3XF0pbaZZc_-K-dYSw

I would submit:

PG Butch Lee
SG Dwyane Wade (Hey they got one right)
SF George Thompson
PF Bo Ellis
C Jim Chones

After that, you can argue Jae with guys like Meminger, Lucas, Kojis, Howard, and others for sixth man or second team.

I'd agree with four of the five, Wade, Lee, Ellis and Chones. As much as I liked George Thompson, the fifth member of the Marquette all-time team should be Maurice Lucas. He was THAT good.

Sadly, the next five are mostly older dudes as well:

Dean Meminger
Jerome Whitehead
Earl Tatum
Markus Howard
George Thompson

Jimmy Mac probably could give Jerome a run for his money. I would think Wes Matthews would give Tatum a run and maybe I could find a place for Bob Lackey, who was special.

[Galway Eagle]

I'd agree with four of the five, Wade, Lee, Ellis and Chones. As much as I liked George Thompson, the fifth member of the Marquette all-time team should be Maurice Lucas. He was THAT good.

Sadly, the next five are mostly older dudes as well:

Dean Meminger
Jerome Whitehead
Earl Tatum
Markus Howard
George Thompson

I would think Wes Matthews

Kolek, Crowder, Kam, Lazar, Jerel, DJO... and you say Wes? I think his NBA career is tainting your evaluation.

[MU82]

Kolek, Crowder, Kam, Lazar, Jerel, DJO.

Kolek was a two-time All-American and also Big East POY, and he led our first Sweet 16 team in a decade. He at least deserves mention among the all-time greats.

Crowder was Big East POY as a senior, and that means something, but he only played two seasons, and his first was nothing special. Loved the others, but it's a reach to say any of them rate among our all-time top 10 IMHO.

[burger]

You guys are too young and he was not well publicized on really crappy teams....

Tony Smith would go for 20 to 30 going 1 on 5 literally....

Plus he dropped 44 on the Badgersl.....