Shaka's Credibility

[Viper]

Do people care about 20 loss seasons? I would've had zero clue, or care, before seeing this list.

people do. This isn't just losing, btw. It's asss kickings.

[PointWarrior]

Shaka would have some credibility if his current team showed any improvement anywhere - offense, defense, shooting, rebounding, better rotations, inbounds plays, late-game plays -  it's all just crap and not getting any better...

[Scoop Snoop]

Probably. But I guess that's my point. I couldn't tell you, because it's not something anyone really cares about. Losing 19 games instead of 20 would do nothing to change how this season was, at least if you ask me.

I get that  you see this as not being a big deal. Assuming others see it the same way though? I think it makes a huge difference whether it is your team or someone else's, so the "...really cares about" depends upon whom you are speaking to. I will never be able to forget this season, as much as I wish I could. And it matters to me.

[WhiteTrash]

True that nobody can reference the last time X school lost 20 games, just like nobody can reference the last time X school ranked 337th in FG%, but it doesn't mean it's not important.

(Hint: a Milwaukee based school is ranked 337th in FG%)

[#UnleashJosh]

Guys.... yall don't need to keep explaining that Shaka errored with not adding portal players in the off season.


We're All Very well aware

[Newsdreams]

IMO, the issues are lack of talent, lack of players with high basketball IQs, and lack of players who fit how MU wants to play. (I also wonder how easy it is to find players that both fit Shaka's pressure style of defense and Smith's 3-focused offense.) MU needs to fix those issues and I don't really care how they do it. That said, to do that quickly so my season tickets are somewhat worth it next year, Shaka has to hit the portal.

Not a 3 focused offense.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Shaka's credibility is already being damaged
I am constantly asked what is going on at Marquette. People are dismayed at the lack of talent, the big losses and basketball fans are incredulous with the team's downfall. It's a big deal to a lot of people even casual fans

[1SE]

Some have limited samples, and Shaka's shooters seem to get worse over time, but the frosh leading in 3pt shooting with Nigel at 39%, MP3 at 38%, and Adrien at 37%. If they can keep those numbers and the latter two increase the usage our offense works.

Just need a GD big man...

[willie warrior]

It's always a treat being mentioned in the same breath as a point shaving DePaul and Patrick ewing's georgetown program.

The gap continues to widen. What can be done?

[NCMUFan]

Guess he made promises to players he feels he must honor.   Even if it takes down a program that gives him all the resources to succeed.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Shaka's credibility is already being damaged
I am constantly asked what is going on at Marquette. People are dismayed at the lack of talent, the big losses and basketball fans are incredulous with the team's downfall. It's a big deal to a lot of people even casual fans

Shaka's "credibility" in regard to random basketball fans is meaningless.

[Scoop Snoop]

Shaka's "credibility" in regard to random basketball fans is meaningless.

I'm worried that Marquette fans will not just limit their displeasure by not attending games at Fiserv, but resort to other actions like booing, Fire Shaka signs, Use the Portal chants that have already been reported, and so on if they do attend. I HATE when that happens to a coach and his team, whether Marquette or elsewhere. But not believing in the coach gets things like these started. Absolutely no good comes from it. It is 100% negative. Well...except for the visiting team and coach. I'm sure they love it.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I'm worried that Marquette fans will not just limit their displeasure by not attending games at Fiserv, but resort to other actions like booing, Fire Shaka signs, Use the Portal chants that have already been reported, and so on if they do attend. I HATE when that happens to a coach and his team, whether Marquette or elsewhere. But not believing in the coach gets things like these started. Absolutely no good comes from it. It is 100% negative. Well...except for the visiting team and coach. I'm sure they love it.

Well, hopefully that idiotic portion of the fanbase is small.

[Shooter McGavin]

If the team plays competitively in their home games it won't happen.  Play like they did against Villanova it's all good.  Give up a 15-0 run to DePaul at home and the boo birds will come out.

[WhiteTrash]

If the team plays competitively in their home games it won't happen.  Play like they did against Villanova it's all good.  Give up a 15-0 run to DePaul at home and the boo birds will come out.

I see no problem with MU fans booing.  All good and passionate fans of quality programs would boo.

MU players and coaches have poured their hearts into being at the highest level of college hoops to get the riches, glory and, sometimes, the boos and anger. They all fully embrace the full experience and risks.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. It is very difficult for a team to fail with a strong program behind it. Feel Shaka has accomplished the almost impossible by self inflicting or self sabotaging this year

[Scoop Snoop]

Posted this in the wrong thread earlier. It is very difficult for a team to fail with a strong program behind it. Feel Shaka has accomplished the almost impossible by self inflicting or self sabotaging this year

At the beginning of this horrendous season, some of Shaka's defenders insisted that this was just "one bad season". Eventually, one of those scoopers later conceded that it was a "catastrophe". It took quite a while for the narrative to disappear from scoop that Shaka's stunning success in his first 3 1/2 seasons somehow made this "one bad season" acceptable.

This "one bad season" is the culmination of FOUR years of RGV and recruiting from only HS. Shaka has to be held fully accountable. This is his RGV team. 

[Mu8891]

Scoop - I agree. It's a total train wreck of Shaka's stupid decisions.

Do you actually think he will be
" held accountable " ?  Not a chance.
No way Broeker or Kimo will do anything...

If you watch and listen to him, I am more and more convinced that he thinks this is fine, his team is " improving " and he will run it back next year.

[tower912]

From the outside, Shaka was just mentioned in an Athletic article as one of the 40 most respected people across all sports.

[vogue65]

Probably. But I guess that's my point. I couldn't tell you, because it's not something anyone really cares about. Losing 19 games instead of 20 would do nothing to change how this season was, at least if you ask me.

It's not what I think a about, it's the facts. 
Interesting so many BE teams have had losing seasons lately.  It's just a fact. Now think about itl

[vogue65]

Scoop - I agree. It's a total train wreck of Shaka's stupid decisions.

Do you actually think he will be
" held accountable " ?  Not a chance.
No way Broeker or Kimo will do anything...

If you watch and listen to him, I am more and more convinced that he thinks this is fine, his team is " improving " and he will run it back next year.

He has a season to complete.
There will be plenty of time to make changes in April.

[Billy Hoyle]

At the beginning of this horrendous season, some of Shaka's defenders insisted that this was just "one bad season". Eventually, one of those scoopers later conceded that it was a "catastrophe". It took quite a while for the narrative to disappear from scoop that Shaka's stunning success in his first 3 1/2 seasons somehow made this "one bad season" acceptable.

This "one bad season" is the culmination of FOUR years of RGV and recruiting from only HS. Shaka has to be held fully accountable. This is his RGV team. 

Butler is a good example of balanced roster building in the Portal era. They had one of the highest rated HS classes coming in this year while bringing in transfers to fill holes, and not million dollar guys (Jones is a transfer from South Carolina State, Butler from Drexel). They start two recruits and three transfers, and bring two freshmen and two transfers off the bench.  And, like us, they had to move their true freshman PG to the starting lineup after their upperclassman starter got injured.

[Billy Hoyle]

Scoop - I agree. It's a total train wreck of Shaka's stupid decisions.

Do you actually think he will be
" held accountable " ?  Not a chance.
No way Broeker or Kimo will do anything...

If you watch and listen to him, I am more and more convinced that he thinks this is fine, his team is " improving " and he will run it back next year.

Broeker answers to Shaka and Kimo is more interested in making Facebook videos to seem like the cool dean in the Simpsons episode where Homer went back to college.

[The Equalizer]

Guys.... yall don't need to keep explaining that Shaka errored with not adding portal players in the off season.

Failure to recruit the portal is not his "error"--his error lies in his entire operating philosophy . . .

- not using the portal
- prioritizing your current roster over always looking to improve your team
- not dealing with agents
- ignoring potential recruits if they desire to maximize earnings
- believing that low-major recruits reliably can be "coached up" to Big East level
- prioritizing culture and relationships over performance
- prioritizing retention over improvement
- prioritizing practice over games

Let's face it, with 2500+ players in the portal every year, there are plenty of underdeveloped, unproven transfers that are functionally identical to the underdeveloped, unproven HS players he's been recruiting. 

If the only thing Shaka changes is taking those players from the portal instead of HS, results won't be any better. 

The answer is not simply "recruit the portal."  It's recruit (and land) Big East ready talent wherever he can find it.

[PointWarrior]

great to be respected AND winning...

From the outside, Shaka was just mentioned in an Athletic article as one of the 40 most respected people across all sports.