Shaka can't do that again

[Billy Hoyle]

Clark reportedly had offers from UT-Arlington and Sam Houston.

Arlington looked at him but did not offer and were stunned when MU did

[MuggsyB]

If you look at it we have one 1 pt win vs a high D-1 program.  It's really difficult to wrap my head around that kind of drop after our last three seasons.  And when you look at the intangibles, and basic competing and fundamentals, we're nowhere close to where we should be.  There's 0.0 cohesion on this team or competitive drive as far as I can tell. 

Chase literally wasn't involved at all for about 16 mins of the 2H.  I don't get that.  Some scoppers have suggested he's checked out, I have no frigging idea.  In back to back games he's been great in the 1H and a total no show in the 2H.  WTF is going on here? 

Again, we're not having a bad year, we're having a catastrophic season with a team that is maybe the worst in the history of our program.  We don't compete, that's what's so frustrating.  Until that 25 pt swing in the 2H it looked like we were fking Edgewood or Carroll College. 

What exactly were we trying to do on the court during this stretch?  Both defensively and offensively?  Did we have no gas in the tank?  Did guys simply quit?  Are there psychological issues?  When you allow lay-up, dunk, lay-uo, dunk, tip-dunk, corner three, lay-up, uncontested 3, uncontested 3, bunny, bunny, etc, etc, etc, wtf do you expect?  It was a 25 pt swing in like 9 mins.  Against DePaul!!!  Cannot happen.  Ever.  The competitive fire has to be there.  If guys are loafing or disinterested?  Glue them to the bench and let Scoopers call them for 2 hours. 

[NCMUFan]

Great teams have five options to score.
Good teams like the three Amigos and Lazar or three  Amigos  and  Novak have four options.
Average teams have three options.
Bad teams have only two.
When scoring options decrease, much easier to defend the only scorers.

[MuggsyB]

Great teams have five options to score.
Good teams like the three Amigos and Lazar or three  Amigos  and  Novak have four options.
Average teams have three options.
Bad teams have only two.
When scoring options decrease, much easier to defend the only scorers.

Does that mean DePaul had 20 options?

[MarquetteMike1977]

https://x.com/brianhanley534/status/2012380005737677195?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA

Did people Anyone post this tweet yet

[MarquetteMike1977]

Caedin practices hard but many people practice and work hard.
Caedin may be the worst player in Division 1 but it is NOT HIS FAULT HE PLAYS and is put out  there.

[Shooter McGavin]

Isn't that the former SunTimes columnist and 670 the score Mully and Hanley show Brian Hanley.

[Mu8891]

77 - Right.  Hamilton is AWFUL. He's a low D1 player ( Horizon or below ).

It's the coaching malpractice by SS that puts him out there. 

[MarquetteMike1977]

Isn't that the former SunTimes columnist and 670 the score Mully and Hanley show Brian Hanley.

Maybe but not sure. Knew a Brian Hanley at Marquette University who passed away from I believe cancer. We both used to date Dorothy Murphy in college.

[Shooter McGavin]

This columnist was probably an 84ish grad.  Huge Marquette fan.  Always had some Marquette related barbs for ND at public speaking events. 

[BM1090]

The best thing to happen to Josh Clark is to play behind Caedin Hamilton. Ultimate back up quarterback syndrome

At least with Clark you can see it in theory. The tools are there. You could see him becoming a bigger, stronger Kuath type rim protector and lob threat.

 With Hamilton I can't even picture what a fully actualized version looks like.

[BM1090]

If you look at it we have one 1 pt win vs a high D-1 program.  It's really difficult to wrap my head around that kind of drop after our last three seasons.  And when you look at the intangibles, and basic competing and fundamentals, we're nowhere close to where we should be.  There's 0.0 cohesion on this team or competitive drive as far as I can tell. 

Chase literally wasn't involved at all for about 16 mins of the 2H.  I don't get that.  Some scoppers have suggested he's checked out, I have no frigging idea.  In back to back games he's been great in the 1H and a total no show in the 2H.  WTF is going on here? 

Again, we're not having a bad year, we're having a catastrophic season with a team that is maybe the worst in the history of our program.  We don't compete, that's what's so frustrating.  Until that 25 pt swing in the 2H it looked like we were fking Edgewood or Carroll College. 

What exactly were we trying to do on the court during this stretch?  Both defensively and offensively?  Did we have no gas in the tank?  Did guys simply quit?  Are there psychological issues?  When you allow lay-up, dunk, lay-uo, dunk, tip-dunk, corner three, lay-up, uncontested 3, uncontested 3, bunny, bunny, etc, etc, etc, wtf do you expect?  It was a 25 pt swing in like 9 mins.  Against DePaul!!!  Cannot happen.  Ever.  The competitive fire has to be there.  If guys are loafing or disinterested?  Glue them to the bench and let Scoopers call them for 2 hours.

With Chase I think the issue is as simple as he's a great role player. He can play off good players and be a really valuable member of a team in that role as a spot up shooter, slasher, defender, and transition player.

He doesn't have many sklls on ball in the halfcourt and there's obviously not enough talent around him for him to play the role he could thrive in.

[panda]

At least with Clark you can see it in theory. The tools are there. You could see him becoming a bigger, stronger Kuath type rim protector and lob threat.

 With Hamilton I can't even picture what a fully actualized version looks like.

Exactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential

[MuggsyB]

With Chase I think the issue is as simple as he's a great role player. He can play off good players and be a really valuable member of a team in that role as a spot up shooter, slasher, defender, and transition player.

He doesn't have many sklls on ball in the halfcourt and there's obviously not enough talent around him for him to play the role he could thrive in.

I agree with you that he's much better off the ball, and as a 3rd option guy, but he's still one of our best scorers.  He's also had abysmal defensive stretches.   And not having the right skills in the h-c, as a 4 year guy, with his speed and athleticism, is a total failure.  That's on him and the coaching staff. 

[hawk]

Pretty easy to feel the hate in here.  Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points.  He certainly is not a starter or a srtar  but he can fill 15 minutes.  I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed.  How bountiful your gratitude is.  Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent?  Answer:  Let he among you without sin cast the first stone. 

[MuggsyB]

Exactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential

Look, there is absolutely no reason known that I can even conjure, including Ben's injury, that explains CH starting the 2H.  None.  End of discussion.  And I'm not trying to rip on the kid at all, he's just not ready at this level.  And may never get there.  This is 100% on Shaka and I don't want to see it again.

[MuggsyB]

Pretty easy to feel the hate in here.  Hamilton did have 7 rebounds in 15 minutes plus 3 points.  He certainly is not a starter or a srtar  but he can fill 15 minutes.  I am sure that nobody in august body except for myself has ever struggled to learn or succeed.  How bountiful your gratitude is.  Cut the kiod some slack, who are any of you to question his motivation or intent?  Answer:  Let he among you without sin cast the first stone. 

Those 7 rebs are a bit misleading.  2 were on his own misses.  A couple fell into his lap.

[WhiteTrash]

Exactly my point - anyone compared to Hamilton looks competent and filled with potential

MU's defense has made competent BE players look great; Shaka may see Hamilton in scrimmages and conclude he's ok.

[MuggsyB]

MU's defense has made competent BE players look great; Shaka may see Hamilton in scrimmages and conclude he's ok.

We have a sample size WT.