157 minutes

[tower912]

Due to a departure and injuries, that is how many minutes were played by freshmen and sophomores last night.  At MSG.  Against the preseason #2 in the country.   They didn't quit.  They got beat up and wore down.   Objectively, it was exactly what one should expect from a team dressing 9 players, on the road, against a good team.  Like Michael Phillips or any 190 lb freshman  should be expected to effectively defend Hopkins or Ejiofor. 

Yup, it sucks.  The remaining 9 are what MU has for now.   Hopefully, this pays off in seasons to come.

[Jockey]

The glass is 3% full.

[Billy Hoyle]

Shaka should be upset at whoever constructed the roster to put him in such a predicament.

[Skatastrophy]

Shaka should be upset at whoever constructed the roster to put him in such a predicament.

Good point, we should be up in arms at the front office. Loosen the purse strings you misers! 

[CountryRoads]

MU was really fortunate Zuby and Hopkins both picked up 2 fouls in the first few minutes of the game. It let our guys at least get a half of non garbage time minutes.

I thought each of the young guys had some decent stretches. Caedin a few good possessions on both ends, etc. Though, I'm not confident the growth trajectory of this group will come close to exceeding the reload level of our competition on a year to year basis. It was frustrating when Parham, Owens, and Phillips all missed a layup in the span of 2 seconds. 

[Galway Eagle]

Against the preseason #2 in the country.   

I get your point but this portions pretty much irrelevant in mid january

[Pakuni]

Shaka should be upset at whoever constructed the roster to put him in such a predicament.

What do you expect when the GM whiffs on back-to-back (to back?) draft classes and signs no one in free agency?

[Billy Hoyle]

What do you expect when the GM whiffs on back-to-back (to back?) draft classes and signs no one in free agency?

The Washington Wizards, not the Marquette Golden Eagles of 2025-26.

[tower912]

I get your point but this

MU was really fortunate Zuby and Hopkins both picked up 2 fouls in the first few minutes of the game. It let our guys at least get a half of non garbage time minutes.

I thought each of the young guys had some decent stretches. Caedin a few good possessions on both ends, etc. Though, I'm not confident the growth trajectory of this group will come close to exceeding the reload level of our competition on a year to year basis. It was frustrating when Parham, Owens, and Phillips all missed a layup in the span of 2 seconds. 

Yes. Yes it was.  A microcosm.  A good play, good hustle, everything  the way it was designed.   Doink, doink, doink.

[Jay Bee]

I get your point but this portions pretty much irrelevant in mid january

It's a ridiculous thing to say and taints the whole bit.

A similar thing to say is that St. John's beat the crap out of the preseason KenPom #47 team by 24 points, which could have been much if not foul actual foul trouble and perceived foul trouble (slick rick is criminal when it comes to auto-subbing guys with two fouls in the first half).

[tower912]

Irrelevant at the moment, but still a fact.

[We R Final Four]

I get your point but this portions pretty much irrelevant in mid january

Fits the narrative.

[tower912]

Eliminate all other data points and arguments that have gone on for the last two months.

Go back to Halloween.   If I told you I had seen one future game and it was the SJU  game at the garden.  I told you MU dressed nine players.  I told you that Gold, Jones, and Lowery did not play.  I told you that freshmen and sophomores played 157 minutes.  In October, with only that information, what would you project the outcome to be?

Pretty much what it was.

[Jay Bee]

Eliminate all other data points and arguments that have gone on for the last two months.

Go back to Halloween.   If I told you I had seen one future game and it was the SJU  game at the garden.  I told you MU dressed nine players.  I told you that Gold, Jones, and Lowery did not play.  I told you that freshmen and sophomores played 157 minutes.  In October, with only that information, what would you project the outcome to be?

Pretty much what it was.

Some would have said Mr. Massive Transformation would step up and eat Zuby's lunch.

I'm just happy my boy Damarius got some good run.

[NCMUFan]

We'll  get em next time.

[18thandWells]

Eliminate all other data points and arguments that have gone on for the last two months.

Go back to Halloween.   If I told you I had seen one future game and it was the SJU  game at the garden.  I told you MU dressed nine players.  I told you that Gold, Jones, and Lowery did not play.  I told you that freshmen and sophomores played 157 minutes.  In October, with only that information, what would you project the outcome to be?

Pretty much what it was.

You should do something more useful with your time-travel capabilities than watch this sh!t.

[Zog from Margo]

Eliminate all other data points and arguments that have gone on for the last two months.

Go back to Halloween.  If I told you I had seen one future game and it was the SJU  game at the garden.  I told you MU dressed nine players.  I told you that Gold, Jones, and Lowery did not play.  I told you that freshmen and sophomores played 157 minutes.  In October, with only that information, what would you project the outcome to be?

Pretty much what it was.

At that point in time, would you have expected that neither Parham nor Owens would have improved an iota from last season and that James would be better than Jones? MU definitely missed Gold. They also lack strength and basketball IQ.

[wadesworld]

A similar thing to say is that St. John's beat the crap out of the preseason KenPom #47 team by 24 points, which could have been much if not foul actual foul trouble and perceived foul trouble (slick rick is criminal when it comes to auto-subbing guys with two fouls in the first half).

This run-on sentence is WOOF!

[tower912]

You should do something more useful with your time-travel capabilities than watch this sh!t.

If only

[onepost]

Irrelevant at the moment, but still a fact.

Hilarious that you cite a preseason #2 ranking as some justification for what happened last night. An under-achieving, unranked team with their two best players sidelined an entire half beat Marquette by 24. At least Shaka was happy that "the five guys really poured into each other the second half"...beyond parody at this point.

[wadesworld]

Hilarious that you cite a preseason #2 ranking as some justification for what happened last night. An under-achieving, unranked team with their two best players sidelined an entire half beat Marquette by 24. At least Shaka was happy that "the five guys really poured into each other the second half"...beyond parody at this point.

The team sucks and this year shouldn't be happening, but Zuby played 2 fewer minutes last night than he averages on the year.  You don't have to make stuff up to show things are bad.

[Pakuni]

Eliminate all other data points and arguments that have gone on for the last two months.

Go back to Halloween.  If I told you I had seen one future game and it was the SJU  game at the garden.  I told you MU dressed nine players.  I told you that Gold, Jones, and Lowery did not play.  I told you that freshmen and sophomores played 157 minutes.  In October, with only that information, what would you project the outcome to be?

Pretty much what it was.

We've reached the point where we're rationalizing 24-point losses to unranked opponents.

[onepost]

The team sucks and this year shouldn't be happening, but Zuby played 2 fewer minutes last night than he averages on the year.  You don't have to make stuff up to show things are bad.

Was I wrong? He was saddled with foul trouble and sat the majority of the first half.
Next you're gonna tell me that rest is why Zuby beat Chase and Caedin down the court for the backcourt errant-pass dunk: maybe the most humiliating play of our season.

[wadesworld]

Was I wrong? He was saddled with foul trouble and sat the majority of the first half.
Next you're gonna tell me that rest is why Zuby beat Chase and Caedin down the court for the backcourt errant-pass dunk: maybe the most humiliating play of our season.

I guess everyone can claim Zuby was sidelined for an entire half.  He plays 28 minutes per game on the year.  He played 26 last night.

[onepost]

I guess everyone can claim Zuby was sidelined for an entire half.  He plays 28 minutes per game on the year.  He played 26 last night.

Ahh here's the weekly semantics schtick from you.
Can't make any on-court arguments this season so into the minutiae you go!

Yes you're right, Zuby played fewer minutes than he does on the season and Marquette lost by 10 points more than the experts and models predicted - pretty pathetic of us!