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[mileskishnish72]

I don't think anyone (well, this is Scoop, so let's say only some) will call Shaka a
"hypocrite" if he changes his approach. Bottom line, he's a basketball coach. His prospects are tied more or less to how his team performs. Success in his field is
defined by W's and L's. I don't hold the basics of "recruit and develop" against him, but I do think he's responsible for the dreary product MU is putting on the floor this year.

He seems to be intelligent and mightily interested in succeeding. He's devoted to RGV
but even he has to objectively evaluate this year's results. If he doesn't have the ability to do that and admit that the process is not working, and adapt, then his departure will not be a sad event, as much as I have admired what he's done here so far.                                                                                               

[Scoop Snoop]

Miles, we agree until you say that his departure would not be a sad event if he does not have the ability to...

I will be sad if he leaves, even though I believe it may be necessary. In HS, our English teacher had us memorize a few of his favorite quotes. This is a perfect time for one of them:

"For all sad words of tongue and pen, the saddest are these-I might have been."

John Dunne (and "borrowed" by author Maud Muller.

[panda]

I don't think anyone (well, this is Scoop, so let's say only some) will call Shaka a
"hypocrite" if he changes his approach. Bottom line, he's a basketball coach. His prospects are tied more or less to how his team performs. Success in his field is
defined by W's and L's. I don't hold the basics of "recruit and develop" against him, but I do think he's responsible for the dreary product MU is putting on the floor this year.

He seems to be intelligent and mightily interested in succeeding. He's devoted to RGV
but even he has to objectively evaluate this year's results. If he doesn't have the ability to do that and admit that the process is not working, and adapt, then his departure will not be a sad event, as much as I have admired what he's done here so far.                                                                                               

I think his players, potential recruits and opposing coaches may consider the hypocrite description if he changes course

[Zog from Margo]

I think his players, potential recruits and opposing coaches may consider the hypocrite description if he changes course

I don't see this at all. Shaka was willing to stick with his recruits to the point of risking a very poor season. How does that place Shaka at a disadvantage when recruiting against a coach who doesn't have a similar commitment and who must acknowledge he will portal over a frosh recruit rather than take any risk on development? No matter what Shaka does going forward with respect to the portal, he's already demonstrated a greater commitment to development than almost any other D-1 coach.

[Scoop Snoop]

I don't see this at all. Shaka was willing to stick with his recruits to the point of risking a very poor season. How does that place Shaka at a disadvantage when recruiting against a coach who doesn't have a similar commitment and who must acknowledge he will portal over a frosh recruit rather than take any risk on development? No matter what Shaka does going forward with respect to the portal, he's already demonstrated a greater commitment to development than almost any other D-1 coach. And after 4 years of this- not one-what does he have to show for it?
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Shaka was hired to win basketball games, and not at the expense of obsessing with promises to his recruits. Perhaps Sean's mom Sherrie is not the only one who believes that Shaka should be judged for more than his ability to win games. And I am not suggesting that nothing else matters/anything goes. The word primacy seems appropriate here. What is first and foremost?

[Zog from Margo]

Shaka was hired to win basketball games, and not at the expense of obsessing with promises to his recruits. Perhaps Sean's mom Sherrie is not the only one who believes that Shaka should be judged for more than his ability to win games. And I am not suggesting that nothing else matters/anything goes. The word primacy seems appropriate here. What is first and foremost?

I'm not sure to what you're responding. The statement was that opposing coaches could call Shaka a hypocrite if he now goes to the portal. My point is that an opposing coach would not have a very good argument to make to a HS player concerned about getting portaled over given the coach would have to admit they're already doing it and they could not match the commitment to development that Shaka has already demonstrated. The pearl clutching about how it will be perceived by HS recruits if Shaka does go to the portal, which I fully expect he will, is really misplaced.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm not sure to what you're responding. The statement was that opposing coaches could call Shaka a hypocrite if he now goes to the portal. My point is that an opposing coach would not have a very good argument to make to a HS player concerned about getting portaled over given the coach would have to admit they're already doing it and they could not match the commitment to development that Shaka has already demonstrated. The pearl clutching about how it will be perceived by HS recruits if Shaka does go to the portal, which I fully expect he will, is really misplaced.

Fair. I guess I was just ranting that I think Shaka has invested too much into keeping recruits happy at the expense of results in the W column. I think RGV has almost become an end in itself.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Fair. I guess I was just ranting that I think Shaka has invested too much into keeping recruits happy at the expense of results in the W column. I think RGV has almost become an end in itself.

Agree. And feel opposing coaches love Shaka at the moment since we are losing to them and he appears to be the Potsy at the poker table lol

[Biggie Clausen]

Perhaps Sean's mom Sherrie is not the only one who believes that Shaka should be judged for more than his ability to win games.

OT, but in terms of insufferable bullcrap that absolutely does not play when a team is having a bad season, this whole "Marquette Moms" business takes the cake.  If we're lucky, Sean's mom will be starting the "UW-Milwaukee Moms" next year and winning the dance contest during a media timeout at Panther Arena.  Some people just love attention.

[Scoop Snoop]

Agree. And feel opposing coaches love Shaka at the moment since we are losing to them and he appears to be the Potsy at the poker table lol

Mostly agree, but unless you are making the point that our team is crappy, I think Shaka is not someone sitting on the pot. He does appear to be the patsy at the poker table though.