Beat X on Wednesday

[MU82]

Disagree.

Imagine we don't start every game in a 5 to 7 point hole? Would be awesome.

We were down 2-0 when Hamilton was subbed out vs UConn.

We were down 4-1 when he subbed out vs SH; he had the 1 point.

We were up 5-0 when he subbed out vs Creighton; he had 2 points.

We were up 5-2 when he subbed out vs Georgetown.

We were down 5-3 when he subbed out vs Purdue.

Shall I go on?

Look, I wouldn't start Hamilton. Just as I wouldn't have started Reggie Smith (as Buzz did) or Bill Neary (as Al did).

But of this team's many problems, Hamilton starting in games when Gold plays 30+ minutes is way down the list IMHO.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Time to beat X tomorrow and make our way to The Crown

[MarquetteMike1977]

We were down 2-0 when Hamilton was subbed out vs UConn.

We were down 4-1 when he subbed out vs SH; he had the 1 point.

We were up 5-0 when he subbed out vs Creighton; he had 2 points.

We were up 5-2 when he subbed out vs Georgetown.

We were down 5-3 when he subbed out vs Purdue.

Shall I go on?

Look, I wouldn't start Hamilton. Just as I wouldn't have started Reggie Smith (as Buzz did) or Bill Neary (as Al did).

But of this team's many problems, Hamilton starting in games when Gold plays 30+ minutes is way down the list IMHO.

Disagree but reasonable minds may disgaree Hamilton's minutes have gone down and rightfully so. Bill Neary was better than Hamilton and Bill contributed to winning as has Ben Gold for many years for Marquette and Internationally.  Hamilton came in at the end of the 1st half against Seton Hall and Marquette lost the lead. Hamilton sucks the energy out of the team the fans and contributes to losing not winning May be wrong but that is my feeling. Time to Beat X any way we can even with Hamilton and get to The Crown. Vegas is not bad.

[brewcity77]

Disagree but reasonable minds may disgaree Hamilton's minutes have gone down and rightfully so. Bill Neary was better than Hamilton and Bill contributed to winning as has Ben Gold for many years for Marquette and Internationally.  Hamilton came in at the end of the 1st half against Seton Hall and Marquette lost the lead. Hamilton sucks the energy out of the team the fans and contributes to losing not winning May be wrong but that is my feeling. Time to Beat X any way we can and get to The Crown. Vegas is not bad.

The Crown is only taking 8 teams this year, so we probably still aren't getting in.

And if getting excited for the Crown is where we're at, yikes.

[Scoop Snoop]

Disagree but reasonable minds may disgaree Hamilton's minutes have gone down and rightfully so. Bill Neary was better than Hamilton and Bill contributed to winning as has Ben Gold for many years for Marquette and Internationally.  Hamilton came in at the end of the 1st half against Seton Hall and Marquette lost the lead. Hamilton sucks the energy out of the team the fans and contributes to losing not winning May be wrong but that is my feeling. Time to Beat X any way we can and get to The Crown. Vegas is not bad.

I never, ever thought that we would be hoping for an invitation to The Crown.

If we go there and win a game, Marquette fans should sub out the WE ARE!    MARQUETTE! chant near the end of the game for WE R!   GV!

[MarquetteMike1977]

The Crown is only taking 8 teams this year, so we probably still aren't getting in.

And if getting excited for the Crown is where we're at, yikes.

Alright feel like Mike Myers Dr Evil in Austin Powers let's go for the 32 Team NIT then. But even then agree Yikes.

[Jay Bee]

We've been crowning on the court constantly

[MarquetteMike1977]

I never, ever thought that we would be hoping for an invitation to The Crown.

If we go there and win a game, Marquette fans should sub out the WE ARE!    MARQUETTE! chant near the end of the game for WE R!  GV!

Like RIP John Sichterman's left over's at the Bars girl wise were not bad. The Crown and NIT are not that bad given were we are at currently this year. And agree RGV has got to go. As David Grubor says in his new Commercial we understand the importance of winning and RGV is not working. Time to focus on X Go Marquette!

[We R Final Four]

Like RIP John Sichterman's left over's at the Bars girl wise were not bad. The Crown and NIT are not that bad given were we are at currently this year. And agree RGV has got to go. As David Grubor says in his new Commercial we understand the importance of winning and RGV is not working. Time to focus on X Go Marquette!

Wow....that is painful to read.

[Superfan]

That's beyond painful to read.  PLEASE keep Gruber out of MU Bball discussions. 

[Scoop Snoop]

Like RIP John Sichterman's left over's at the Bars girl wise were not bad. The Crown and NIT are not that bad given were we are at currently this year. And agree RGV has got to go. As David Grubor says in his new Commercial we understand the importance of winning and RGV is not working. Time to focus on X Go Marquette!

RGV is really nothing more than an alternate to culture, development, and of course victory (Duh! ) as if there is a team out there that wants to be defeated. (Cue the jokes about Marquette's year to date performances). I was fine with it as background music or elevator music, but it somehow was given primacy. The RGV crap in the Spirit Shop isn't the problem, but the idea that RGV should be the framework for Marquette basketball is very disturbing to me. WHY should fans be expected to play along with this slogan sh!t and wear RGV gear?

Marquette is a college basketball team, not a Middle School team. Ship that crap free of charge to Marquette Michigan. Their schools will love it!

[MuggsyB]

Maybe it's me having blinders on but I feel like in addition to our myriad of problems and talent issues, this group has not played with the needed mindset through 15 games.  I'm not saying they're not trying, but there isn't the tenacity across the board for 40 mins. Both defensively and offensively, 

Nigel is attacking the rim with some power, but other than that I see guys trying to avoid contact and refusing to play with force and intelligence.  Granted, we have Kelvin cohesion, but I'd like to see guys diving all over the floor as an example.  Swarming defensively and exerting some physicality.  Maybe take a charge or two or trap dudes in a vice.  I'm sorry Scoopers, but the aggressiveness and tenacity just isn't there

Now, I get we don't have great personel when it comes to this style, but we can't be a sieve and allow dunk, after dunk, after dunk, after dunk, etc, etc.  Play with fire and with venom!!  These guys should be freaking embarrassed for goodness sake.  Instead we are seeing a bunch of guys standing around offensively, and Moai guarding on the defensive end.  That can't happen.

Furthermore, are we bad?  Yes.  Are we really bad? Yes.  Are we as bad a team as we've seen since forever?  No question.  But imo we shouldn't be this horrific, meaning historically horrific and an absolute abomination. It's time for us to get it fking together starting tomorrow. 

[MU82]

Disagree but reasonable minds may disgaree Hamilton's minutes have gone down and rightfully so. Bill Neary was better than Hamilton and Bill contributed to winning as has Ben Gold for many years for Marquette and Internationally.  Hamilton came in at the end of the 1st half against Seton Hall and Marquette lost the lead. Hamilton sucks the energy out of the team the fans and contributes to losing not winning May be wrong but that is my feeling. Time to Beat X any way we can even with Hamilton and get to The Crown. Vegas is not bad.

GE03 claimed that starting Hamilton put Marquette way behind in every game. I decided to look it up, and the facts said otherwise.

Beyond that, I said that I wouldn't start Hamilton if I were Shaka. And I agree with you that the less he plays the better.

[illiniwarriors]

I was the hardest worker for 4 years on my highschool basketball team but I sucked at basketball so I only played garbage time because way back then my coach recognized skill talent and ability.
In football I was pretty talented and made All Conference and I cruised in practice.
You could reward the hardest worker in practice with 1 start and get him off the floor after 2 minutes.
Has Shaka lost his mind this year.

[tower912]

Last spring, my son's HS baseball team completely imploded despite a 25-6 record after the coach preached effort and accountability, then brought up freshmen (none of whom improved the team) instead of giving reps to the guys who had bled and sweated for 3-4 years.   There were juniors quitting in the middle of a game (before you bring up character, both started as seniors on a state championship football team), just packing up and walking because the coach was playing freshmen i steady of rewarding effort, dedication, and previous accomplishments.

The last I heard, this year's team will only have one returning upperclassmen.

It goes both ways.  If you preach hard work, dedication, and attitude, and fail to reward it, that, too, is seen has hypocrisy or betrayal

[Jay Bee]

GE03 claimed that starting Hamilton put Marquette way behind in every game. I decided to look it up, and the facts said otherwise.

Beyond that, I said that I wouldn't start Hamilton if I were Shaka. And I agree with you that the less he plays the better.

But were they way behind as compared to where they would have been without the odd coaching choice?

[K1 Lover]

Line is Marquette -4.5. Nice to see us favored for a change.

[rocky_warrior]

Line is Marquette -4.5. Nice to see us favored for a change.

It's an intriguing game in that both teams have some serious issues. 

On paper, our starters (well, unless Hamilton starts) are just about equal in statistics / efficiency.

We'll see.  On the flip side, if MU doesn't win this one, they likely won't be favored in another game until Mar 1, and could go 3 months winless.

[79Warrior]

Muggs - this is a serious question...

Why do you think he will pivot / change?

I don't think he will change a thing unless 2 or 3 more guys leave.  He's too dug in. I don't think for a minute that he will tell Tre, Sean or Hamilton to go play in the Horizon League.

That is not what he is saying in the CT papers after UCONN game.

[Daniel]

Yes beat X.   I just watched a DePaul beat Georgetown.    DePaul is 10-6, 2-3 in BE.   Watched the after show about big east and ther put the standings up and even knowing it, when I saw Marquette at the bottom..... I just gulped in disbelief.   

Hopefully Marquette finds their groove starting Wednesday.   Let's Go Marquette!

[Viper]

Last spring, my son's HS baseball team completely imploded despite a 25-6 record after the coach preached effort and accountability, then brought up freshmen (none of whom improved the team) instead of giving reps to the guys who had bled and sweated for 3-4 years.   There were juniors quitting in the middle of a game (before you bring up character, both started as seniors on a state championship football team), just packing up and walking because the coach was playing freshmen i steady of rewarding effort, dedication, and previous accomplishments.

The last I heard, this year's team will only have one returning upperclassmen.

It goes both ways.  If you preach hard work, dedication, and attitude, and fail to reward it, that, too, is seen has hypocrisy or betrayal

random thought...sounds like a good baseball team. Coach really screwed that up. At MU, however, we have a historically bad basketball team. Difference might be, baseball team was winning. Don't change a thing. Marquette is losing big time, so maybe a change is ok.

[MuggsyB]

Nm.

[MuggsyB]

Yes beat X.   I just watched a DePaul beat Georgetown.    DePaul is 10-6, 2-3 in BE.   Watched the after show about big east and ther put the standings up and even knowing it, when I saw Marquette at the bottom..... I just gulped in disbelief.   

Hopefully Marquette finds their groove starting Wednesday.   Let's Go Marquette!

We absolutely have to win this game.  A loss would be an MU hoops catastrophe indescribable with words alone. 

[onepost]

We absolutely have to win this game.  A loss would be an MU hoops catastrophe indescribable with words alone. 

No it wouldn't. This season is a pile of shiit inside of a dumpster fire amidst the plague. Losing to Xavier would simply be another day ending in Y for MUBB.

[onepost]

I'm curious, a genuine question for the most ardent defenders of Shaka this season: when March comes, if Shaka says he's rolling with the same group and will add 1 Wrightsell-esque transfer to replace Zaide and say he utilized the portal, would you find that acceptable? That he just needs more time to develop his guys, RGV style, are you ok with that going into next season?