Beat X on Wednesday

[MuggsyB]

If you're responding to me:

A) I think Shaka is starting to give up the way he's talking about his players. Could easily see him quitting or at least Buzz-cutting these guys.

B) I think a lot of the players might feel scammed by Shaka and this nonsense. The parents too. This is humiliating for all of them. They can easily be swayed elsewhere.

C) We're at the point that I think we'll see an all out revolt from the fanbase if Shaka/Broeker/Kimo seriously come out there in the spring and have the nerve to say they're doing things the right way. You're just telling the fans and donors to go f*** themselves at that point.
The only way they can save face, all the way up to Kimo, is to go out in the spring and say "We screwed up. We can use roster movement and still respect the sport and the team. We're hiring a GM who will get funds and fix this" [If Shaka does stay I would not at all be surprised if Broeker is the fall guy fwiw]

Bottom line is something has to give. This is a 5 month humiliation ritual.

Strong words.  I'm just curious where the "revolt" and other evidence is?   Or is this just pure speculation?

[BM1090]

They can't learn that because they're not skilled enough to get themselves in those situations.

It's also extremely unlikely most of these guys are back next year.

They were in those situations against Dayton, Oklahoma, Maryland, Georgetown, and Seton Hall. I'd expect they'll be in them again on Wednesday against X.

[dpucane]

Strong words.  I'm just curious where the "revolt" and other evidence is?   Or is this just pure speculation?

do you wanna watch this another year?

[dpucane]

They were in those situations against Dayton, Oklahoma, Maryland, Georgetown, and Seton Hall. I'd expect they'll be in them again on Wednesday against X.

And they learned they're bad and can't finish because they are bad

[Vander Blue Man Group]

And they learned they're bad and can't finish because they are bad

This is dumb.

[MuggsyB]

do you wanna watch this another year?

God no. 

[dpucane]

God no. 

well there ya go, imagine how everyone will feel if they come out this spring and say they believe in what they're doing.

Imagine how Junior students will feel when they hear "you gotta put up with this again next year". Are they gonna want to go to games? hell no.

[WhiteTrash]

Principles not principals.

I have always said that I don't think Shaka takes another transfer unless there are unexpected departures.  I still think that way.  So, if 3-4 guys transfer out, particularly if the combination of transfers leaves the remaining roster particularly thin in a particular area, I assume he will bring in a couple of replacements.

Zaide is one, but I am not convinced he is enough to send Shaka to the portal.  Phillips, Miletic, Egbuono, Ethan Johnston.

Now, others will play the what if transfers game.  I won't.    I will say that if think he sticks with growth/development until he feels the roster is unbalanced or simply not enough players.

So we agree Shaka does not have a principle regarding transfers? If not he has abandoned it already in his MU career.

IMO, Shaka made a thoughtful strategic decision to attempt create an advantage in the marketplace by not playing in the portal. Kudos to Shaka for trying that, as it takes "onions" to buck the trend. But when the strategy doesn't work, good leaders pivot.

I'd almost guarantee one of Shaka's core coaching principles is to win as much as possible within the rules and with the resources he has.

[Superfan]

As a fan who has been loyal to MU for 40+ years and is watching the worst team I've seen, if he brings this crew back next year and doesn't tell some of these players to move along at year's end, I will not be renewing our season tickets next year.  I am confident that Shaka is not blind and when looking at this roster assumed that this was going to be a very difficult year. It's fine to stick with a strategy as long as it works. Obviously, this strategy is an abject failure. It's time to change otherwise he will not survive another season like this.

[MuggsyB]

As a fan who has been loyal to MU for 40+ years and is watching the worst team I've seen, if he brings this crew back next year and doesn't tell some of these players to move along at year's end, I will not be renewing our season tickets next year.  I am confident that Shaka is not blind and when looking at this roster assumed that this was going to be a very difficult year. It's fine to stick with a strategy as long as it works. Obviously, this strategy is an abject failure. It's time to change otherwise he will not survive another season like this.

This is sound analysis.  I believe Shaka will pivot. 

[Superfan]

I think he will too.  If he doesn't the fan fallout next year will be huge and Fiserv will have many empty seats.  Ticket sales = money and money talks.

[Small Orange Soda]

So we agree Shaka does not have a principle regarding transfers? If not he has abandoned it already in his MU career.

IMO, Shaka made a thoughtful strategic decision to attempt create an advantage in the marketplace by not playing in the portal. Kudos to Shaka for trying that, as it takes "onions" to buck the trend. But when the strategy doesn't work, good leaders pivot.

I'd almost guarantee one of Shaka's core coaching principles is to win as much as possible within the rules and with the resources he has.

I thought Clark played well today, but in the post presser Shaka said he had no offers so it was Marquette or no one. Same could be said about Hamilton, and as someone posted in another thread, Tre Norman only had one other high major offer. To build a team recruiting that way AND disregard the portal is coaching malpractice. Completely absurd.

[cheebs09]

I'm pretty sure Norman was a very highly rated recruit. He was a huge get at the time.

[MU24]

IF MU wins another game this season, hang a banner with the final score on it.

[Pakuni]

I'm pretty sure Norman was a very highly rated recruit. He was a huge get at the time.

96th from on3
95th from 247
88th in the 247 composite

[WhiteTrash]

96th from on3
95th from 247
88th in the 247 composite

Not too shabby. Some high quality coaching could turn a player with those rankings into a high quality college player.

[We R Final Four]

At least he stopped shooting 3's.

[Mu8891]

Muggs - this is a serious question...

Why do you think he will pivot / change?

I don't think he will change a thing unless 2 or 3 more guys leave.  He's too dug in. I don't think for a minute that he will tell Tre, Sean or Hamilton to go play in the Horizon League.

[WhiteTrash]

Muggs - this is a serious question...

Why do you think he will pivot / change?

I don't think he will change a thing unless 2 or 3 more guys leave.  He's too dug in. I don't think for a minute that he will tell Tre, Sean or Hamilton to go play in the Horizon League.

IMO, self preservation.

[Viper]

Then he'll be out of a job after next season because there just isn't enough talent on the team.

So I definitely think we will see transfers in.

Not to mention I think the people funding this program will both rip their hair out and their checks apart.

100% agree. If Shaka doesn't do as he did in yr 1 with transfers, he needs to be let go shortly after the season concludes. I don't like where things are at in college sports today. However, Shaka absolutely cannot run this back next year status quo. No way.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Felt we were bad this year and was hoping I was wrong. But had a feeling this morning we may have turned a corner and might be getting better. Today we beat the spread and if we can follow it up with a win against Xavier there is hope.

[Shooter McGavin]

This will be a hard pill to swallow for some people, but please take it seriously from someone who has to listen to Arturas Karnisovas every summer use a 5 game win streak to justify running back a play in team:


It is in the best interest of the program that they go 0-20

Ha!  As a Bulls fan I find some truth in this.  But, the boys need a win.  Progress is important.  We don't want the freshman to leave out of pure embarrassment.

[PointWarrior]

Nah, 0-20 is likely

[MarquetteMike1977]

At least he stopped shooting 3's.

Agree and could any of our players shoot in high school. I feel they could and if so what happened

[tower912]

Agree and could any of our players shoot in high school. I feel they could and if so what happened

Remember when Shaka called Royce and DO offensive savants who had a long way to go on defense?   How about the posters who wanted Sean to play in front of TKo?   Good times.