New Kenpom Stat Shows This Season Is On The Players, Not Shaka

[Pakuni]

Its cool, im aware you don't know ball. Keep getting that post count up with your hostility though.

Is this you, knower of ball?

November 25, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
I believe Sean will be taking koleks starting pg position at some point in the conference season.

Might be good for kolek as well to get him back into the sg role.


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[#UnleashMalik]

Is this you, knower of ball?

November 25, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
I believe Sean will be taking koleks starting pg position at some point in the conference season.

Might be good for kolek as well to get him back into the sg role.


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Ya, that was a bad take. 👎

[Class71]

... and who selected these players? Apparently not Shaka since he is not responsible for the players that can not shoot.

[panda]

... and who selected these players? Apparently not Shaka since he is not responsible for the players that can not shoot.

Chase Ross is responsible

[Elonsmusk]

Chase Ross is responsible

I agree with this analysis. 24.6 eFG on 28^ of teams shots in Big East play.

[rocky_warrior]

I agree with this analysis. 24.6 eFG on 28^ of teams shots in Big East play.

OMG.  You actually think Chase is the problem with this team.

I agree he's not the solution, but he's far from the problem.

[Elonsmusk]

OMG.  You actually think Chase is the problem with this team.

I agree he's not the solution, but he's far from the problem.

There are definitely other problems. But, hard to win games when your experienced senior who Big East coaches expected to perform at an All Big East 1st team player is performing as essentially the worst starter playing in the conference so far...I mean 24% eFG - even my all time favorite Derrick Wilson was twice that, but at least Derrick iwasn't hoisting up 28% of the team's shots.

Other problems have been Ben Gold's 1-13 shooting in Big East play. Zaide leaving the team. Shaka playing musical chairs with the lineups, though I can somewhat understand why.

[rocky_warrior]

There are definitely other problems. But, hard to win games when your experienced senior who Big East coaches expected to perform at an All Big East 1st team player is performing as essentially the worst starter playing in the conference so far...I mean 24% eFG - even my all time favorite Derrick Wilson was twice that, but at least Derrick iwasn't hoisting up 28% of the team's shots.

Other problems have been Ben Gold's 1-13 shooting in Big East play. Zaide leaving the team. Shaka playing musical chairs with the lineups, though I can somewhat understand why.

How quickly you spin

Talk about jumping to some negative conclusions after 1 game!  A game in which we set a program record for kills, held the opposition to .69 points per possession, and won by 27 on a night where we shoot 5-24 from three - I was very pleased.

Chase Ross was running A LOT of PG during the game - that's the answer to your question about after SJ/Nigel.

Lowery is going to be a stud.  Stevens looks like a great wing.  Nigel showed great promise.  Gold was okay. Owens started slow, but finished well. Tre Norman played a very nice game.  Josh Clark?  Talk about some serious upside potential.  The two guys who didn't play as well as we might expect - Royce and Caedin.

I'd be shocked if this isn't an NCAA team, even if it is a poor shooting 3 point team.

[Elonsmusk]

How quickly you spin

Yes. I'll own that post. Was really disappointed Ted to see things just totally bottom out with Zaide. My gut feeling there is that there was probably a chemistry issue between him and a player or two on the team.

I also certainly didn't think we'd suck so bad on defense, and that Chase would turn in his worst season at MU as a senior.

But, nice find and enjoy the current "win."  I'll stand by my support of Shaka for at least a couple more years.

What is funny is you were a big time Wono guy for 5-6 years when he'd done dick at MU, but you've been eager to fault find with Shaka. Weird.

[rocky_warrior]

I also certainly didn't think we'd suck so bad on defense, and that Chase would turn in his worst season at MU as a senior.

I just hope Shaka finally agrees with you and benches Chase and Ben so that we can all move on with life.

If he doesn't, he's an idiot.  #amiright

[Elonsmusk]

I just hope Shaka finally agrees with you and benches Chase and Ben so that we can all move on with life.

If he doesn't, he's an idiot.  #amiright

Of course he's not going to bench Chase. Chase has earned the long leash. But, when your best player plays like major ass, it's hard to win for any team.

Ben has largely been okay. Just not shooting it as well this season. But he's played well defensively and rebounded well. Chase has let his offensive funk affect the rest of his game.

But, maybe we can fire Shaka and bring back Wojo!  Was astounding other high major programs didn't jump all over Wojo when he was fired.

[rocky_warrior]

Of course he's not going to bench Chase. Chase has earned the long leash. But, when your best player plays like major ass, it's hard to win for any team.

Ben has largely been okay. Just not shooting it as well this season. But he's played well defensively and rebounded well. Chase has let his offensive funk affect the rest of his game.

Wait, Chase is the reason Marquette sucks ass, but Shaka should play him a lot?  Man, your brain is a pretzel.

[panda]

Of course he's not going to bench Chase. Chase has earned the long leash. But, when your best player plays like major ass, it's hard to win for any team.

Ben has largely been okay. Just not shooting it as well this season. But he's played well defensively and rebounded well. Chase has let his offensive funk affect the rest of his game.

But, maybe we can fire Shaka and bring back Wojo!  Was astounding other high major programs didn't jump all over Wojo when he was fired.

☢️bozo alert☢️

[MU82]

Of course he's not going to bench Chase. Chase has earned the long leash. But, when your best player plays like major ass, it's hard to win for any team.

Ben has largely been okay. Just not shooting it as well this season. But he's played well defensively and rebounded well. Chase has let his offensive funk affect the rest of his game.

But, maybe we can fire Shaka and bring back Wojo!  Was astounding other high major programs didn't jump all over Wojo when he was fired.

Seriously, why is it always always always about Wojo with you?

[panda]

Is this you, knower of ball?

November 25, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
I believe Sean will be taking koleks starting pg position at some point in the conference season.

Might be good for kolek as well to get him back into the sg role.


https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63782.msg1483372#msg1483372

Is this you, knower of ball?

November 25, 2022, 09:44:14 AM
I believe Sean will be taking koleks starting pg position at some point in the conference season.

Might be good for kolek as well to get him back into the sg role.


https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63782.msg1483372#msg1483372

Nm

[Pakuni]

Seriously, why is it always always always about Wojo with you?

That's not fair, 82.
Sometimes, it's about Derrick Wilson.

[Elonsmusk]

Seriously, why is it always always always about Wojo with you?

It's not about Wojo, as much as it is about context and pointing out pretzel logic. We've got some weird Scoopers (Rocky, Pakuni, BrewCity) who want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat for 1 bad year, who preached patience for 5+ yeas with Wojo - a guy whose best accomplishment was a 20+ point blowout as a 5 seed - that it took him 5 years to achieve.

[SOSW]

It's not about Wojo, as much as it is about context and pointing out pretzel logic. We've got some weird Scoopers (Rocky, Pakuni, BrewCity) who want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat for 1 bad year, who preached patience for 5+ yeas with Wojo - a guy whose best accomplishment was a 20+ point blowout as a 5 seed - that it took him 5 years to achieve.

This team is significantly worse than all of Wojo's team with the possible exception of his first year. Also Wojo didn't do enough to get fired, until the year he was actually fired. (And even that year he beat two top 10 teams.)

And it's not brew or Pakuni putting Shaka on the hot seat. He WILL BE on the hot seat if this season continues like this. If he has another season similar to this one next year, he will undoubtedly be fired.

Do you not understand how bad this team is?  And how Shaka's complete mismanagement of the roster get them to this point?

[Elonsmusk]

Wait, Chase is the reason Marquette sucks ass, but Shaka should play him a lot?  Man, your brain is a pretzel.

Ever heard of a Catch 22?  What would you do if you're Shaka?  Do you agree it would be hard to win if your most veteran/highly regarded player shoots 24%  and takes 28% of your shots?  And that this kind of performance leads directly to losing?

Might be time for a little introspection when you find yourself agreeing with  trolls/drama kings like Panda, Onepost, and Viper.

[SOSW]

Ever heard of a Catch 22?  What would you do if you're Shaka?  Do you agree it would be hard to win if your most veteran/highly regarded player shoots 24%  and takes 28% of your shots?  And that this kind of performance leads directly to losing?

Gosh, I wonder why Shaka has such limited options available to him?

It's a mystery.

[Elonsmusk]

This team is significantly worse than all of Wojo's team with the possible exception of his first year. Also Wojo didn't do enough to get fired, until the year he was actually fired. (And even that year he beat two top 10 teams.)

And it's not brew or Pakuni putting Shaka on the hot seat. He WILL BE on the hot seat if this season continues like this. If he has another season similar to this one next year, he will undoubtedly be fired.

Do you not understand how bad this team is?  And how Shaka's complete mismanagement of the roster get them to this point?

Do you not understand how weird it is to want to fire a coach after 1 (or two bad seasons), that was gotten your program 4 NCAA bids the previous 4 years, two, 2 seeds in the NCAA tournament, a Sweet 16, a Big East regular and conference championship - and defend a guy who didn't win an NCAA tournament game in 7 years as coach, missed the NCAA in 4 of his 6 eligible seasons?

[SOSW]

Do you not understand how weird it is to want to fire a coach after 1 (or two bad seasons), that was gotten your program 4 NCAA bids the previous 4 years, two, 2 seeds in the NCAA tournament, a Sweet 16, a Big East regular and conference championship - and defend a guy who didn't win an NCAA tournament game in 7 years as coach, missed the NCAA in 4 of his 6 eligible seasons?

Outside of panda, who wants Shaka fired? I don't. I don't think brew or Pakuni do either. And who's defending Wojo?

I'm just stating facts. This team is worse on kenpom than any of Wojo's teams. Shaka will be on the hot seat if this continues. He will be fired if he has another season like this one.

[Pakuni]

It's not about Wojo, as much as it is about context and pointing out pretzel logic. We've got some weird Scoopers (Rocky, Pakuni, BrewCity) who want to suggest Shaka should be on the hot seat for 1 bad year, who preached patience for 5+ yeas with Wojo - a guy whose best accomplishment was a 20+ point blowout as a 5 seed - that it took him 5 years to achieve.

I've literally said the opposite.

[79Warrior]

Outside of panda, who wants Shaka fired? I don't. I don't think brew or Pakuni do either. And who's defending Wojo?

I'm just stating facts. This team is worse on kenpom than any of Wojo's teams. Shaka will be on the hot seat if this continues. He will be fired if he has another season like this one.

This team may very well end up worse than any Wojo team. Incredibly disappointing season so far and it is hard to see things changing. He will be back next season and  have an opportunity to right the ship. That said, if we remain bottom feeders in 26-27, he will be sent packing.

[Pakuni]

Do you not understand how weird it is to want to fire a coach after 1 (or two bad seasons), that was gotten your program 4 NCAA bids the previous 4 years, two, 2 seeds in the NCAA tournament, a Sweet 16, a Big East regular and conference championship - and defend a guy who didn't win an NCAA tournament game in 7 years as coach, missed the NCAA in 4 of his 6 eligible seasons?

Coaches get fired for two disastrous seasons after prior success. As they should. One dumpster fire season can be an anomaly. Two is a trend.
Juwan Howard was fired two years after leading Michigan to back-to-back Sweet 16s and three years after winning AP Coach of the Year. Tom Crean was fired a year after winning the Big 10 and going to the Sweet 16.