A Collective Failure

[Markusquette]

It's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him

It would be ironic, but I think the roster might be like New Mexico's situation with a complete overhaul if he's gone.

[onepost]

I was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight

Yup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.

[Pakuni]

It's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him

I don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.

[Markusquette]

The problem isn't him taking open 3s. The problem is that taking 3s is the entirety of his offensive game most nights. And if you're hitting them at a below 35% clip - and below 30% this year - that should not be the entirety of your offensive game.
Ben should have been developed as a well-rounded big who could stretch teams when necessary, but also provide some offense in the post. Instead, he was developed as a really tall spot-up shooter.

With a bad, flat shot at that.

[onepost]

It's going to be funny when Shaka moves on after this year but Nigel, Stevens and Sheek stay for the new coach instead of going with him

Your lips to God's ears, JTJ3!

[Big Papi]

Kolek was never our leading scorer in a season. That's what made us so good.

We had a starting lineup of 4 NBA players and Stevie. We are stratospheres away from that. Portal. Portal. Portal.

He wanted the ball at the end of games.  He didn't have to shoot to win us games but he did take control of games.

There is not one single player on this team you can say that about.

[Markusquette]

Yup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.

The clichés and catchphrases are harder to stomach when the team is terrible

[79Warrior]

Yup. And the way they "poured into each other" the first 35 minutes. Just wish they kept "pouring into each other" the last 5 minutes. That was the difference.

Hardly.
The difference in this game (and all the others) is the staggering amount of layups this team misses. It's bad enough we don't have shooters, missing layups is insane. Hit half your layups and the last 5 minutes would never have been an issue. We have to be the worst in division 1.

[onepost]

Hardly.
The difference in this game (and all the others) is the staggering amount of layups this team misses. It's bad enough we don't have shooters, missing layups is insane. Hit half your layups and the last 5 minutes would never have been an issue. We have to be the worst in division 1.

I was being facetious with Shaka's annoying ass cliches and platitudes.

Yes in all seriousness you're 1000% right. You know it's bad when FS1 has graphics ready for our awful layup percentages and we manage to hit that average.

[GoldenEagles03]

He wanted the ball at the end of games.  He didn't have to shoot to win us games but he did take control of games.

There is not one single player on this team you can say that about.

None even close.

And as good as Kolek was, his job was made easier surrounded by 4 guys that could go get a buck themselves.

[Dish]

I don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.

Can TJO be Sting hanging in the rafters?

[MarquetteMike1977]

I was impressed with a couple stretches where they got lost in the fight

Agree although All teams have stretches but Yes our 16 - 0 was nice. But followed by their 13-0 run.

[1SE]

According to ESPNs prob tracker thing, MU was over 90% to win at the 3:25 mark.

Guess ESPNs algo thought probability of us scoring more than 0 points in the last 3:25 of a basketball game was 0>. Shows what they know!

[wadesworld]

I think it's best we lose every game the rest of the year.

1) Shaka can move on to somewhere where this is acceptable.

2) I'm not sure any of us want to pick a SoG. None of them deserve it.

This you?

Still feel the exact same. I hope be recognizes that this is a place he can win big at for a long time. That will come with an occasional talent replenishment from the portal like we need this offseason.

I'd love for him to become synonymous with Marquette like Mark Few has become with Gonzaga or Izzo with Michigan State or Matt Painter with Purdue, etc. Because that would mean a whole bunch of winning here just like he's done so far.

[GoldenEagles03]

This you?

Yes.

Being the worst current program in high major basketball is an emotional experience. It's worse than I thought. We have nobody on this team capable of making a winning play against Seton Hall. 13-0 run at home to close is just flat out unacceptable.

Our Seniors next year are set to be Tre and Sean, both have been NET negatives to the team. We have no big man. In this very moment, I am personally ready for it to be over. Maybe tomorrow I'll think differently.

This team sucks and next year's will be worse without massive overhaul.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Collective failure is right. Many things involved. Feel Marquette's Program Strength this year has decreased and Saint John's has increased which is another problem or concern.

[Jay Bee]

Team played well for 36 minutes, they the truth happened, poor coaching, no leadership on the court.

I watched Adrian Stevens a lot, did not score, he is a step slow.  Not sure if the new frosh can score next year, but that has to be an area of concern. 

Not sure who this Adrian is, but "team played well for 36 minutes" is nonsense. We started off like a pile of dung; fortunately fouls helped the staff use the right lineup. for a good portion of the game. Then, more weird personnel choices near the end.

Just bizarre stuff that I cannot understand, unless SS has millions on a crazy under X wins bet.

[willie warrior]

Yes.

Being the worst current program in high major basketball is an emotional experience. It's worse than I thought. We have nobody on this team capable of making a winning play against Seton Hall. 13-0 run at home to close is just flat out unacceptable.

Our Seniors next year are set to be Tre and Sean, both have been NET negatives to the team. We have no big man. In this very moment, I am personally ready for it to be over. Maybe tomorrow I'll think differently.

This team sucks and next year's will be worse without massive overhaul.

We are not a high major. We are a low major on our way to D2

[Warrior of Law]

It was obvious late in the game that we lack any leadership. Continuing to think that Chase Ross will make a good basketball decision is on the coaches. He's a dribbling turnover machine and Sean Jones brings nothing either. The 2 freshmen turnovers were painful too, but they're freshman with a potential upside.

[tower912]

Stop missing 14 lay ups a game.

[jesmu84]

Just heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.

New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!

Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.

This is a terrible comparison

[Viper]

I don't think he's going anywhere, but if he flees from the mess he made it'll be the quickest heel turn since Hulk Hogan joined NWO.

Shaka is no Macho Man, not even Ravishing Rick Rude, that's for damn sure

[Viper]

Elonsmusk is somewhere fuming that he can't point to a win as some evidence of "progress". Poor guy.

the usual optimists of dumbassery are no where to be found. But hey, Shaka had 4 great years and is our forever coach. ❤️

[Viper]

The problem isn't him taking open 3s. The problem is that taking 3s is the entirety of his offensive game most nights. And if you're hitting them at a below 35% clip - and below 30% this year - that should not be the entirety of your offensive game.
Ben should have been developed as a well-rounded big who could stretch teams when necessary, but also provide some offense in the post. Instead, he was developed as a really tall spot-up shooter.

all the more reason why MU needs to do a Texas on Shaka in March. Our Cignetti is out there.

[Billy Hoyle]

Just heard one of the wildest sports related things I've heard in some time.

New Mexico, who beat Marquette in the tournament, lost EVERY SINGLE PLAYER AND COACH from last years team. Pitinos son left for Xavier.
Every single player.
They are 10-2!

Marquette lost 0 players and coaches.
They are 5-9.
Unbelievable. Remarkable. Devastating.

You mean besides NBA draft pick Kam Jones, and for year contributors Jop and Stevie?