How many guys stay?

[Badgerhater]

The coach should play every player he wants to keep and bench those he doesn't. This includes not playing seniors much.

[WhiteTrash]

The coach should play every player he wants to keep and bench those he doesn't. This includes not playing seniors much.

But we could end up not winning any BE games instead of winning........ zero BE games.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

What an absolute collapse of the program. The team is exhibiting a complete lack of confidence on both sides of the court. I feel sorry for our guys.

[muwarrior69]

Food for thought

Last year Seton Hall was 7-25.

They got TEN new players from the portal.

They are 11 - 1 so far this year.

Always 1 year away with the Portal

...and the Hall supposedly has no money.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

last season, January forward was not good, genius. And those deep March runs...oh, that's right, we haven't had those. So yeah, we're in DePaulville. You have a love fest for Shaka, fine. I don't give a rip who the coach is, just stack-up some wins in March. The current guy hasn't. With Shaka Smart's RGV, MU basketball is nothing more than an embarrassing curiosity.

I truly admire your consistency when it comes to low IQ posts. It's impressive.

For the record, I've been plenty critical of Shaka this season.

[Viper]

I truly admire your consistency when it comes to low IQ posts. It's impressive.

For the record, I've been plenty critical of Shaka this season.

I'm low IQ and you post from a studio apartment wall covered in Shaka pics. No need to tell us of your Shaka infatuation. We know.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I'm low IQ and you post from a studio apartment wall covered in Shaka pics. No need to tell us of your Shaka infatuation. We know.

There's that consistency I'm referring to.  Keep it up!

Let me try to explain this to you like you're 5 years old...

One DePaul-like season after 4 years of success does not make us DePaul.  It's an illogical, ludicrous, stupid statement considering DePaul's results over the last 20+ years.

So because you have no substantive argument, I "live in a studio apartment with a wall covered in Shaka pics".  Truly brilliant, high-level stuff here.  Even your attempts to insult are lazy and uninspired. 

FYI, it's possible to like Shaka while being critical of the results this season, which are not acceptable.  They are not mutually exclusive. 

I've been plenty critical of him as this season has unfolded, including a thread I started after the Georgetown game.   

Here's the link to that thread, in case you want to take a peak:  https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67507.0

But I have a Shaka "infatuation", right?

Like I said, LOW IQ nonsense. 
   

[jfp61]

Zero

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

Here's how I breakdown the 15 players that are currently projected to be on the roster.

Group 1: I hope they stay

Royce Parham
Nigel James
Adrien Stevens

These players all have a positive BPR, so at the very least you want to keep the little talent they have.

Group 2: On the fence
Zaide Lowery
Michael Phillips II
Josh Clark

These three players also have positive BPR, but there are a whole lot of questions in this group. 

Phillips and Clark have small sample sizes.  Clark is barely positive and very easily could end up with a negative BPR, while Phillips is boosted by a couple short stints when he has been hot from downtown.

Considering Phillips reclassified and should still be in HS, and has flashes of shot making, I'd like him to stay.  And Clark has rare height and length, so of all the Shaka projects, he's probably the most worthwhile gamble. (But I think Shaka has spent too much time chasing projects overall.)

Things don't look to be in a great spot with Lowery.  There's always a chance things get rectified, but I'm not holding my breath.

Group 3 incoming freshman and redshirts:

Ian Miletic
Sheek Pearson
Nash Walker
Alex Egbuonu
Ethan Johnston

Sheek and Nash aren't your typical redshirts since both arrived early.  They will join Alex and Ethan in their expected class.

But Ian is your typical redshirt.  From watching his HS games, I knew his defense was far from Big East ready. Hopefully he's having a productive developmental year, but it's kind of concerning he had to redshirt on a team this bad.

Group 4: An inconvenient truth

Sean Jones
Tre Norman
Caedin Hamilton
Damarius Owens

These players all have negative BPR. Shaka's RGV model cannot survive with players being negatives in year 2/3/4. This is the group Shaka needs to have a difficult conversation with each player.  College basketball is basically semi-pro at this point, and along with the upsides that brings, players need to recognize the downsides.

Overall outlook:

Hopefully, Shaka has some serious introspection about how this season went so wrong, several scholarships become available in the off-season, and Shaka returns to the roster building strategy he had when he was hired.  A couple veterans like Morsell and Kuath, a couple transfers with multiple years like Kolek and O-Max, and retaining some young talents and recruits.

If not, his seat will be scorching hot next year (and he may even deserve to be fired if he's unwilling to change this off-season). I really hope things work out with Shaka because he's the rare coach that actually wants to stick around at Marquette for the long haul.  But ultimately, he needs to be judged on his results. And people, whether they are players, coaches, or the AD, need to be held accountable for those results.

[vogue65]

Look to the BOT (Board of Trustees) and admission standards.
The coach does not set University policy, he coaches with the team he has.
Junkyard dogs need not apply. 
Marquette likes prep-school student athletes.
Marquette does not deal with "agents", yet.

[GoldenEagles03]

Here's how I breakdown the 15 players that are currently projected to be on the roster.

Group 1: I hope they stay

Royce Parham
Nigel James
Adrien Stevens

These players all have a positive BPR, so at the very least you want to keep the little talent they have.

Group 2: On the fence
Zaide Lowery
Michael Phillips II
Josh Clark

These three players also have positive BPR, but there are a whole lot of questions in this group. 

Phillips and Clark have small sample sizes.  Clark is barely positive and very easily could end up with a negative BPR, while Phillips is boosted by a couple short stints when he has been hot from downtown.

Considering Phillips reclassified and should still be in HS, and has flashes of shot making, I'd like him to stay.  And Clark has rare height and length, so of all the Shaka projects, he's probably the most worthwhile gamble. (But I think Shaka has spent too much time chasing projects overall.)

Things don't look to be in a great spot with Lowery.  There's always a chance things get rectified, but I'm not holding my breath.

Group 3 incoming freshman and redshirts:

Ian Miletic
Sheek Pearson
Nash Walker
Alex Egbuonu
Ethan Johnston

Sheek and Nash aren't your typical redshirts since both arrived early.  They will join Alex and Ethan in their expected class.

But Ian is your typical redshirt.  From watching his HS games, I knew his defense was far from Big East ready. Hopefully he's having a productive developmental year, but it's kind of concerning he had to redshirt on a team this bad.

Group 4: An inconvenient truth

Sean Jones
Tre Norman
Caedin Hamilton
Damarius Owens

These players all have negative BPR. Shaka's RGV model cannot survive with players being negatives in year 2/3/4. This is the group Shaka needs to have a difficult conversation with each player.  College basketball is basically semi-pro at this point, and along with the upsides that brings, players need to recognize the downsides.

Overall outlook:

Hopefully, Shaka has some serious introspection about how this season went so wrong, several scholarships become available in the off-season, and Shaka returns to the roster building strategy he had when he was hired.  A couple veterans like Morsell and Kuath, a couple transfers with multiple years like Kolek and O-Max, and retaining some young talents and recruits.

If not, his seat will be scorching hot next year (and he may even deserve to be fired if he's unwilling to change this off-season). I really hope things work out with Shaka because he's the rare coach that actually wants to stick around at Marquette for the long haul.  But ultimately, he needs to be judged on his results. And people, whether they are players, coaches, or the AD, need to be held accountable for those results.

I actually like Royce and Zaide quite a bit but if we think Shaka is going to use the portal without drastic turnover, we are only kidding ourselves and for that I'd drop Royce and Zaide down to tier 4. We need Shaka to be absolutely blindsided so he feels that pressure of needing to use the portal.

Bring back Nigel James, Michael Phillips and Adrien Stevens. Commit to the other Freshman and red shirts.

Restart the Junior and Senior classes of next year through the portal. That's how I see it.

[panda]

Here's how I breakdown the 15 players that are currently projected to be on the roster.

Group 1: I hope they stay

Royce Parham
Nigel James
Adrien Stevens

These players all have a positive BPR, so at the very least you want to keep the little talent they have.

Group 2: On the fence
Zaide Lowery
Michael Phillips II
Josh Clark

These three players also have positive BPR, but there are a whole lot of questions in this group. 

Phillips and Clark have small sample sizes.  Clark is barely positive and very easily could end up with a negative BPR, while Phillips is boosted by a couple short stints when he has been hot from downtown.

Considering Phillips reclassified and should still be in HS, and has flashes of shot making, I'd like him to stay.  And Clark has rare height and length, so of all the Shaka projects, he's probably the most worthwhile gamble. (But I think Shaka has spent too much time chasing projects overall.)

Things don't look to be in a great spot with Lowery.  There's always a chance things get rectified, but I'm not holding my breath.

Group 3 incoming freshman and redshirts:

Ian Miletic
Sheek Pearson
Nash Walker
Alex Egbuonu
Ethan Johnston

Sheek and Nash aren't your typical redshirts since both arrived early.  They will join Alex and Ethan in their expected class.

But Ian is your typical redshirt.  From watching his HS games, I knew his defense was far from Big East ready. Hopefully he's having a productive developmental year, but it's kind of concerning he had to redshirt on a team this bad.

Group 4: An inconvenient truth

Sean Jones
Tre Norman
Caedin Hamilton
Damarius Owens

These players all have negative BPR. Shaka's RGV model cannot survive with players being negatives in year 2/3/4. This is the group Shaka needs to have a difficult conversation with each player.  College basketball is basically semi-pro at this point, and along with the upsides that brings, players need to recognize the downsides.

Overall outlook:

Hopefully, Shaka has some serious introspection about how this season went so wrong, several scholarships become available in the off-season, and Shaka returns to the roster building strategy he had when he was hired.  A couple veterans like Morsell and Kuath, a couple transfers with multiple years like Kolek and O-Max, and retaining some young talents and recruits.

If not, his seat will be scorching hot next year (and he may even deserve to be fired if he's unwilling to change this off-season). I really hope things work out with Shaka because he's the rare coach that actually wants to stick around at Marquette for the long haul.  But ultimately, he needs to be judged on his results. And people, whether they are players, coaches, or the AD, need to be held accountable for those results.

I don't know one way or the other, but Josh Clark has the familiar symptoms of backup quarterback syndrome. "This starter stinks so let's give someone else a try." I have a really hard time getting excited about him given his lack of playing time behind CH. If he had anything whatsoever to offer, he would be playing more on a team like this.