A question for the Scoop elders

[MU82]

Do you think we see Shaka on the MU sidelines for 2026-2027, 82?

It would be nothing more than a guess, but I'd guess yes. Nothing would surprise me at this point, though.

[brewcity77]

I stated after the Valpo game (a game we should have lost) that we are somewhere around #225-250 in the country.  Perhaps we're closer to #300.

First, you were wrong then and are even more wrong now. We've played 5 teams that are sub-200 & gone 5-0 in those games by an average margin of 20.4 ppg.

Now maybe it doesn't matter if we're 225, 250, 275, 300 etc...When you have a team who isn't capable of competing with a top 100 squad and zero light at the end of the tunnel?

This, however, is correct. We're probably in the 125-175 area nationally. Good enough to soundly beat teams of lesser talent, good enough to compete but lose against top-50 to 100 teams, and bad enough to get drubbed by anyone better.

But in the Big East, whether we're #150 (feels about right) or #300 (a foolish assertion but let's go with it) that simply isn't good enough to compete in a league of mostly top-100 teams.

While you're being hyperbolic with your ranking takes, what is true is that we're a bottom-2 team in this league and there's no clear evidence we're ahead of DePaul. That is simply unacceptable at a program with Marquette's history & resources.

[vogue65]

Nobody mentions the admission standards.
Why did Buzz leave?
He couldn't recruit.
Why did Al hang it up?
He said, because he couldn't recruit.

The Big East was set up to compete with the Ivy League.  So here we are, enjoy.

The bar was set at mid-major with a TV contract.
Now with pay-per-view the world has changed again.

I'm glad I'getting SS, it will help pay for all my streaming subscriptions.

What does being old give me?
Experience and strategic thinking.

[MuggsyB]

First, you were wrong then and are even more wrong now. We've played 5 teams that are sub-200 & gone 5-0 in those games by an average margin of 20.4 ppg.

This, however, is correct. We're probably in the 125-175 area nationally. Good enough to soundly beat teams of lesser talent, good enough to compete but lose against top-50 to 100 teams, and bad enough to get drubbed by anyone better.

But in the Big East, whether we're #150 (feels about right) or #300 (a foolish assertion but let's go with it) that simply isn't good enough to compete in a league of mostly top-100 teams.

While you're being hyperbolic with your ranking takes, what is true is that we're a bottom-2 team in this league and there's no clear evidence we're ahead of DePaul. That is simply unacceptable at a program with Marquette's history & resources.

Fair points Brew.  But have you considered we are far worse right now than when we played these total cupcakes??  And that we essentially lost to Valpo at home?   Your last sentence is 100% indisputably accurate.  We simply can't have this at MU. 

[MuggsyB]

Brew,

Albany, Southern, Little Rock, and Central Michigan are beyond an abomination. I honestly don't care what the NET, Pomeroy, or the computers think.   We have one win, at home, in overtime, vs Valpo, when their best player got injured.  I guess there are a lot of bad teams but there's no way we're top #200. 

[jfp61]

Were gonna finish 150th because all the good teams in our conference are gonna play some walkons againist us and Michael Phillips is gonna cook them.

[MuggsyB]

I just checked. We're #183 in the NET.  Our best win was against #236 Valpo.  And again, we lose that contest if their best player doesn't get hurt.  The other 4 wins we have are against teams #287 or worse.  I repeat, #287 or worse.   So yes, we're actually that bad.

[mileskishnish72]

.This whole RGV stuff is clearly a fiction if you look at the seniors and juniors on this team, not much G at all. 

Not much V either.

[MU82]

we essentially lost to Valpo at home

We didn't.

I honestly don't care what the NET, Pomeroy, or the computers think.    I guess there are a lot of bad teams but there's no way we're top #200. 

You honestly don't care for facts.

It's easy to rip everything going on with Marquette basketball. You need not make sh!t up, too.

[oldwarrior81]

Those Dukiet teams were hard to watch.  1988 was particulary ugly. But they won 10.
Coincidence they moved out of the Arena at year's end?
I don't think the current fanbase realizes how unenjoyable they were to watch.

included losses:
to Iona (16-loss team) by 15. 
to Fordham (15-loss team) by 20.
Creighton (16-loss team) by 14 at home
to the Irish. twice. Once by 18, the second time by 22.

lost 9 of 10 in the middle of the season, and fittingly closed out on a 6 game losing streak.

[Silkk the Shaka]

We didn't.

You honestly don't care for facts.

It's easy to rip everything going on with Marquette basketball. You need not make sh!t up, too.

It's spiritually correct though. #183 NET. Vegas would probably handicap #183 playing #200 on a neutral court as #183 -1

It's a distinction without a difference. We are abysmal!

[CTWarrior]

87-88 and 88-89 teams were horrendous.  They would lose to 5 random guys at the rec center.  More than once I was one of the 5 random guys.  This team is MUCH better than those days.

This is what I was going to say.  Right on.  I watched them get destroyed by Iona and Fordham one of those seasons.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Some more context using most recent NET ratings

Of 79 power conference teams (ACC, B12, B10, SEC, Big East), we rank #77, just barely ahead of Georgia Tech (#187) and Rutgers (#195). DePaul is 74th, all the way up at #150.

Just for fun I checked 2 power conference cast-offs (Oregon St. and Washington St.): WSU #167, OSU #175.

This is who we comp to. Not even close to the the realm of acceptable on any level. I will grant Shaka one off-season to make philosophical changes that result in major immediate improvement in '26-'27. Bubble team to the wire will barely grant him another year from me by the skin of his teeth. But that is it. This needs to be a massive wake-up call. Will Shaka heed it?

[Spencer Pratt]

Some more context using most recent NET ratings

Of 79 power conference teams (ACC, B12, B10, SEC, Big East), we rank #77, just barely ahead of Georgia Tech (#187) and Rutgers (#195). DePaul is 74th, all the way up at #150.

Just for fun I checked 2 power conference cast-offs (Oregon St. and Washington St.): WSU #167, OSU #175.

This is who we comp to. Not even close to the the realm of acceptable on any level. I will grant Shaka one off-season to make philosophical changes that result in major immediate improvement in '26-'27. Bubble team to the wire will barely grant him another year from me by the skin of his teeth. But that is it. This needs to be a massive wake-up call. Will Shaka heed it?

I know nothing about our administration / AD situation.  Can someone more informed give insight on how confident we feel about our current administration?  If god forbid be have another year like this next year, do we feel good about leadership being able to right the ship?

[willie warrior]

Some more context using most recent NET ratings

Of 79 power conference teams (ACC, B12, B10, SEC, Big East), we rank #77, just barely ahead of Georgia Tech (#187) and Rutgers (#195). DePaul is 74th, all the way up at #150.

Just for fun I checked 2 power conference cast-offs (Oregon St. and Washington St.): WSU #167, OSU #175.

This is who we comp to. Not even close to the the realm of acceptable on any level. I will grant Shaka one off-season to make philosophical changes that result in major immediate improvement in '26-'27. Bubble team to the wire will barely grant him another year from me by the skin of his teeth. But that is it. This needs to be a massive wake-up call. Will Shaka heed it?

Will the admin heed it?