A question for the Scoop elders

[WhiteTrash]

This is just so odd with a good head coach and proven track record.

Agreed.  I don't have any inside info, but I'm really getting a vibe that there is something much bigger going on that is causing this

I can't believe that 1. Shaka has lost his ability to coach, 2. These players don't have even mid-major level of skill and/or 3. That the coaches and players dislike and distrust each so much that they can't work together.

Purely a guess,  but I think Shaka is leaving by his choice.

[ATL MU Warrior]

This is Dukiet part 2. It is a Dukiet Do Over. Only thing different is that the talent .right now is allegedly better.
I used to send letters to the AD back then, and one day I actually got a responding letter saying a change had been made.
This is easily the worst team since then, although in fairness, the competition is significantly better now.
MU has devolved into a low major and is now becoming a cupcake on opponents schedule. There is no question about that

I would give just about anything to see one of these letters.

[muwarrior69]

Living here on the East Coast Marquette Basketball during the 80s and 90s was a black hole as there was little TV or even print coverage of the team. So I only got to see them when they were playing well.

I was a Senior in HS for Al's worst year. I was a casual fan of college basketball at the time and followed Bill Bradly at Princeton. MU was really trying to generate interest in the team so they offered incoming freshman 8 dollar/reserved seat season tickets grand fathered in for each season. We know Al's history. The team got progressively better each season, though our title team was not his best but they won a title.

Even the first 4 years Shaka's team always faded at the end of the season and regressed instead of progressing. Yes, this is the worst team I have ever seen them play so far. I also get the Buzz final year vibe though I could be wrong as it is not only Shaka but the Administration dug in on RGV. Should be an interesting April Fool's Day. I don't think they know how to approach this new landscape of college basketball.

[HutchwasClutch]

Living here on the East Coast Marquette Basketball during the 80s and 90s was a black hole as there was little TV or even print coverage of the team. So I only got to see them when they were playing well.

I was a Senior in HS for Al's worst year. I was a casual fan of college basketball at the time and followed Bill Bradly at Princeton. MU was really trying to generate interest in the team so they offered incoming freshman 8 dollar/reserved seat season tickets grand fathered in for each season. We know Al's history. The team got progressively better each season, though our title team was not his best but they won a title.

Even the first 4 years Shaka's team always faded at the end of the season and regressed instead of progressing. Yes, this is the worst team I have ever seen them play so far. I also get the Buzz final year vibe though I could be wrong as it is not only Shaka but the Administration dug in on RGV. Should be an interesting April Fool's Day. I don't think they know how to approach this new landscape of college basketball.

Well they're the only ones then.  This is pretty easy to see the model needed. 

[Richie]

Is this the worst MU team in our history?  I've heard nightmares about Dukiet. 

I lived the last three years of Dukiet, graduated 1989. This is bad, but this team has talent and hope. Therefore, not as bad as Dukiet, in my view.

[Billy Hoyle]

I've only been affiliated with MU since 1994, so this is by far the worst team in my fandom. What makes it worse is that this wasn't expected. In Deane's last year, we all knew the program was slipping and we didn't have the level of talent to compete for the tourney.  Nobody was pumping up the recruiting rankings and pro potential of John Cliff, John Mueller, Greg Clausen, and Bart Miller. This was not what we were sold by Shaka, Broeker, or President Kimo.

[PointWarrior]

Dukiet years were my college years.  That was miserable.  What makes this worse is that it appears Shaka has talent but refuses to have coherent rotations or an offense that takes advantage of the talent they have. 

I lived the last three years of Dukiet, graduated 1989. This is bad, but this team has talent and hope. Therefore, not as bad as Dukiet, in my view.

[HutchwasClutch]

I lived the last three years of Dukiet, graduated 1989. This is bad, but this team has talent and hope. Therefore, not as bad as Dukiet, in my view.

The last three years of Dukiet were his only three at MU. 

A little hard to compare this year and Dukiet's final team.  We were still an independent, started MCC play in 89-90, O'Neill's first season.  So apples and oranges the competition then and now. 

I wouldn't rate this team quite as bad as Dukiet's 88-89 team.  Other than Tony Smith, cupboard was really bare.  There were no good freshmen and Trevor Powell out of Milwaukee Washington HS was the only sophomore who was anything. 

[Richie]

The last three years of Dukiet were his only three at MU. 

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 I am aware, I was there for all of it. Rick's last year was our first

[HutchwasClutch]

The last three years of Dukiet were his only three at MU. 

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 I am aware, I was there for all of it. Rick's last year was our first

I didn't intend to be nitpicking your post.  The way it was worded gives the impression to those not around then his tenure at MU was longer than 3 years. 

[Warrior of Law]

Pat Foley, Mark Anglavar, Trevor Powell and Tony Smith are all better than any of current team members with the only exception is Nigel James.

[WhiteTrash]

Pat Foley, Mark Anglavar, Trevor Powell and Tony Smith are all better than any of current team members with the only exception is Nigel James.
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Pat Foley, Mark Anglavar, Trevor Powell and Tony Smith are all better than any of current team members with the only exception is Nigel James.

True.

[vogue65]

I go back to '61, now that's a long time ago and we were bad, but we had fun. 
What goes around comes around.
Players committing burglaries, bar owners getting arrested for taking book, we were unaffiliated and played one game at a time. 
We got dressed up, had dates and sat mid court.
Now it's a BIG business. 
Wasn't Peacock fun last night?

[ATL MU Warrior]

I agree that Nigel is the best we have, but I'm not really convinced he's all that great.  He's crafty in 1x1 iso ball but the only outcomes from him doing that are either a shot or a turnover.  He doesn't really have passing skills out of it.  His 3 point shot looks like an old guy at the Y.

I'm super down on the team and have been for nearly a year so maybe that's my overall negativity shining through. 

[willie warrior]

I would give just about anything to see one of these letters.

I should have saved the response I finally got from the AD then. Some scooper would buy it. Priceless.