Zaide Didn’t Travel With Team

[#UnleashMalik]

Orange - Right .  The fact that Shaka is the only coach that won't use the portal IS absolutely ludicrous!  I mean ... he apparently thinks he's smarter than
( or holier and more " virtuous " ) every other D1 coach.

I don't know which is worse, that or the fact that he thought this roster of mostly Horizon League players could compete in the BE ?

Yes we know. We're all aware Shaka didn't use the portal.

We all knew this last season, and this summer. When 300 articles about it came out. "The only school to not have a transfer"

Scoop was loving the press then. Rgv was huge. Now that it's clear it completely backfired, yall come out of the woodwork and scream.

Nothing to be done until the portal opens back up.

[Jay Bee]

Itejere was a Top 100 recruit, who's rating obviously was too high. 

#FakeNews #Lies

whose vs. who's

Yikes. What a way to start off a long post.

[forgetful]

Derrick Wilson had no business playing D-1 basketball.  No guard in D-1 should be so disrespected that defenders play off 5 feet.  That aside, my criticism of him was almost all directed at Buzz and Wojo, and those Scoopers who tried to suggest he was deserving of 30+ minutes per game.

Caedin Hamilton is more worthy of a D-1 scholarship than was Derrick Wilson. Tre Norman's numbers are better than Derrick's FFS.  Imagine if Shaka started playing Tre 30 minutes night in night out....Scoop would implode.

This is a stupid argument, but Wilson was a serviceable PG. He could defend the position very well, and could run the offense. He's still playing professionally in Europe today.

Right now, Hamilton cannot guard the 5-position, and can't make layups. He is not a serviceable C. Maybe he still develops into one, but at the equivalent point of their careers Wilson was of more value to MU than Hamilton is.

[Elonsmusk]

This is a stupid argument, but Wilson was a serviceable PG. He could defend the position very well, and could run the offense. He's still playing professionally in Europe today.

Right now, Hamilton cannot guard the 5-position, and can't make layups. He is not a serviceable C. Maybe he still develops into one, but at the equivalent point of their careers Wilson was of more value to MU than Hamilton is.

Derrick did excel at running our 4 on 5 offense with him at the helm - I'll give you that.  He never faced any ball pressure, wasn't able to force double teams via penetration - how teams defended us with him and how he "could run the offense" was the most disrespectful thing I've seen in 45 years of watching basketball.

That aside, Caedin hasn't been good.  At all.  But teams do defend him.  So, maybe they are equivalent - at least Shaka isn't running Caedin for 30-33/game! 

[brewcity77]

You're arguing Derrick Wilson AGAIN more than 10 years after he left the program & you can't see that your own unhealthy obsession with Wojo/Derrick is the exact same thing as the argument you're making against onepost?

Jesus F Christ, man, wake the hell up and realize you're yelling at a mirror.

[jfp61]

Senior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.

And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?

[MUbiz]

Senior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.

And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?

Maybe by eye test, but definitely not by metrics. Senior year Wilson is 7th best on this years squad if you are looking at Torvik PRPG!

1. Chase - 2.9
2. Nigel - 1.9
3. Adrien - 1.5
4. Parham - 1.1
5. Gold - 1.0
6. Sean Jones - 1.0
7. Wilson - .9

[JTJ3]

I'd sure take Derrick Wilson instead of Sean or Tre as the backup PG if given the choice.

[jfp61]

Torvik PRPG!

You allergic to defense?

Are you one of those who thinks Markus Howard is the best player ever? Was 2018 Andrew Rowsey your favorite player ever?

This year's team will have single digit wins. No one on this year's team is gonna have a positive adjusted team efficency rating at this rate.

In his worst year, on wojo's worst team, Wilson's was 11.8.

[MUbiz]

You allergic to defense?

Are you one of those who thinks Markus Howard is the best player ever? Was 2018 Andrew Rowsey your favorite player ever?

This year's team will have single digit wins. No one on this year's team is gonna have a positive adjusted team efficency rating at this rate.

In his worst year, on wojo's worst team, Wilson's was 11.8.

Quite the assumptions here. I am looking at the entire player - hence why I used points over replacement, not just cherry picking certain offensive or defensive stats.

For the record, I am in the fire Shaka this offseason camp if he continues to go RGV and not tell the deadweight they need to go and bring in xfers. But thinking Wilson would be one of the best players on this team, this year is just wrong imho. Wilson was mid at best and he would fit in right in the middle of low performers on this current squad.

[Shaka Shart]

Magic Dawson would have this team at 12-1 (loss to Radford)

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Caedin Hamilton is more worthy of a D-1 scholarship than was Derrick Wilson.

No

Tre Norman's numbers are better than Derrick's FFS. 

They're not.

[jfp61]

Quite the assumptions here. I am looking at the entire player - hence why I used points over replacement, not just cherry picking certain offensive or defensive stats.

For the record, I am in the fire Shaka this offseason camp if he continues to go RGV and not tell the deadweight they need to go and bring in xfers. But thinking Wilson would be one of the best players on this team, this year is just wrong imho. Wilson was mid at best and he would fit in right in the middle of low performers on this current squad.

PRPG! is overwhelmingly an offensive stat. Using individual offensive rating and usage. So defensive first players are just undervalued to them.

And this years team could use alot of mid right now. Guys like Sean, Tre, Caedin, and Damarius are actively bad.

[Jay Bee]

This year's team is bad, but the thought that Derrick Wilson could save us to some degree (e.g., second best player) is a little bit nutzo.

[jfp61]

This year's team is bad, but the thought that Derrick Wilson could save us to some degree (e.g., second best player) is a little bit nutzo.

This team just so bad that it is breaking my brain.

Like lets get weird with this...
Derrick Wilson vs Sean Jones
Symir Torrence vs Tre Norman
Steven Taylor vs Caedin Hamilton
Joe Fulce vs Zaide Lowery
Jake Thomas vs Damarius Owens

Would John Dawson help or hurt this roster?

[GoldenEagles03]

If Zaide ends up being gone for good, they better be playing Michael Phillips a bunch. See if he's got anything in the tank to build on.

[Shaka Shart]

This team just so bad that it is breaking my brain.

Like lets get weird with this...
Derrick Wilson vs Sean Jones
Symir Torrence vs Tre Norman
Steven Taylor vs Caedin Hamilton
Joe Fulce vs Zaide Lowery
Jake Thomas vs Damarius Owens

Would John Dawson help or hurt this roster?

Is that a serious question. How many of these guys have the nickname "magic"? I'll hang up and listen

[MU82]

Yet another thread to ...

[Badgerhater]

This thread proves that Derrick Wilson is a memorable Marquette player. 

If was a bit better or the roster was different his senior year then no one would remember him.

Wilson was a very good teammate, student-athlete and representative of Marquette University.

[Pakuni]

The two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
 2. Is he vaxxed?

[Jay Bee]

The two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
 2. Is he vaxxed?

Vaccines caused his lack of shooting range.

[Shaka Shart]

The two questions on everyone's minds:
1. Did Derrick Wilson travel with the team?
 2. Is he vaxxed?

We know Liam McMorrow sure was!

[Elonsmusk]

I'd sure take Derrick Wilson instead of Sean or Tre as the backup PG if given the choice.

Senior year Derrick Wilson would be the second best player on this years team.

And is shaka giving DO minutes so we have two heinous players playing minutes now?

Thanks for the laughs. Proof positive some Scoopers have gone off the rails.

These posts are almost as silly as getting mad about hot dogs not being served at a free open scrimmage.  And almost as dumb as thinking Shaka's seat should be warm for having 1 down year out of 5, during a tenure in which the first 4 seasons included Big East regular season and conference championship, two 2 seeds, a Sweet 16, and 4 out of 4 making the NCAA.

[1SE]

Thanks for the laughs. Proof positive some Scoopers have gone off the rails.

These posts are almost as silly as getting mad about hot dogs not being served at a free open scrimmage.  And almost as dumb as thinking Shaka's seat should be warm for having 1 down year out of 5, during a tenure in which the first 4 seasons included Big East regular season and conference championship, two 2 seeds, a Sweet 16, and 4 out of 4 making the NCAA.

You mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?

Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.

The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?

If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.

[wadesworld]

You mean the 4 seasons where he went 3-4 in the NCAA (2-5 ATS - where we covered against the 15 seeds (Yay!) - and total of -60 ATS over those 7 games?) despite those two 2 seeds, never beating a higher seed (and in fact never beating better than a 10 seed) and exiting to a lower seed each year except the 8/9 UNC?

Certainly being in the tourney is better than not being in the tourney (boy don't we feel that this year) - but let's not pretend Shaka brought us dazzling March success. Making a FF puts serious money in the bank. Making an unexpectedly deep run puts serious money in the bank. Washing out when it matters most after a good regular season is, at best, a wash.

The best we could say was that Shaka had us on a good trajectory despite the disappointing tourney results - but now it looks like we peaked on January 3rd, 2025. Where the nadir is who knows but Shaka is certainly plumbing the depths looking. To get us back on trajectory would mean back in the T-25 and in the protected seed conversation late in the year. Upward trajectory would be a run to and past the S16. That gonna happen next year? The year after? 5 years to judge?

If Marquette simply doesn't have the resources to compete in this era then that absolutely sucks but so be it - but I want a coach that is at least willing to try with all the resources at their disposal. It would be great if Shaka is that guy because there is so much else to like about him, but if he's not going to do what it takes to put us in the best position to win each season, then see ya.

When we won the Big East regular season and Tournament title and got our first NCAA Tournament win in over a decade our season was "a wash at best?" When we made a Sweet 16 our season was "a wash at best" because of seeds and Vegas spreads? The reward for being awesome in the regular season is playing worse teams earlier in the Tournament. Trying to discredit seasons because of a single result is crazy, but MU fans will be MU fans.

I genuinely wonder how Marquette fans get this attitude that we are above Sweet Sixteens and can turn our nose up on those. We have 17 Sweet Sixteen appearances in the history of the program. 11 of those came before 1980. We are not the program that a decent amount of Scoopers think we are.