Zaide Didn’t Travel With Team

[CountryRoads]

From the press conference:

Q: why was Zaide not here?
Shaka: personal reasons.

Q: is he suspended?
Shaka: no.

Q: is he leaving?
Shaka: no.

[Shooter McGavin]

But they didn't play for other teams with other coaches. The idea that Kolek, Oso, and OMax were NBA players when they arrived at Marquette is so far from reality it's incredible.

Wades, they had the talent. Any number of coaches would have gotten them there in two to three years.  Shaka did it. He should get some credit for that.  But the players are the main reason they got to the NBA. Shaka will get more talent to the NBA when he recruits NBA talent.  But you either have it or you don't.  Shaka can't make a diamond from coal.

[Billy Hoyle]

Shaka can't make a diamond from coal.

He thinks he can and that's evidenced by his obsession with Hamilton.

[jesmu84]

Posted this in a different thread but not sure if anyone else already posted this


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The reason behind this is that Zaide had an argument with Shaka about Caedin Hamilton still starting. Shaka in return benched Zaide.
Zaide will be transferring

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[Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist]

Do you find ludicrous troll accounts interesting?

The troll comment about this being about Hamilton not starting is not true at all. Zaide isn't "all in" right now and the staff got wind he might be transferring thus leading to them telling him not to travel with the team. They are gonna reevaluate his status after the weekend but I assume he is gone.

[Elonsmusk]

Wades, they had the talent. Any number of coaches would have gotten them there in two to three years.  Shaka did it. He should get some credit for that.  But the players are the main reason they got to the NBA. Shaka will get more talent to the NBA when he recruits NBA talent.  But you either have it or you don't.  Shaka can't make a diamond from coal.

Pretty sure all of those guys would give Shaka and staff high marks as a coaching staff and their role in their development.

Current squad is a trainwreck and seems the coaching staff is also wrecked on how to fix it, but to try to discredit the development of Kam, Kolek, Oso, OMax is disingenuous. 

[Shooter McGavin]

This is a wild statement. You basically disqualified everyone who made huge leaps under Shaka because they went onto the NBA. Kinda crazy.

Yep.  Have to have the talent first.  Lots of coaches out there who would have loved to develop Oso, Kolek, Omax and Kam.  He did not screw it up. I'll give you that.  He did a good job.  Coaching is important. But not more important than talent.  Getting a team to play cohesively is important.  Definitely helps guys get to the next level when there is team success. 

[79Warrior]

The troll comment about this being about Hamilton not starting is not true at all. Zaide isn't "all in" right now and the staff got wind he might be transferring thus leading to them telling him not to travel with the team. They are gonna reevaluate his status after the weekend but I assume he is gone.

Bye Bye. Has done nothing all season.

[Markusquette]

Yep.  Have to have the talent first.  Lots of coaches out there who would have loved to develop Oso, Kolek, Omax and Kam.  He did not screw it up. I'll give you that.  He did a good job.  Coaching is important. But not more important than talent.  Getting a team to play cohesively is important.  Definitely helps guys get to the next level when there is team success.

Talent is multi-faceted. If you have BBIQ that can trump physical gifts. It's a hunger that gets some of these players to the next level and succeeding as well. Tons of dudes come and go in the NBA who have immense physical talent but no IQ, drive, motor, support system, etc.

[Shooter McGavin]

Talent is multi-faceted. If you have BBIQ that can trump physical gifts. It's a hunger that gets some of these players to the next level and succeeding as well. Tons of dudes come and go in the NBA who have immense physical talent but no IQ, drive, motor, support system, etc.

No doubt.  The players at MU over the last several years had all those attributes in spades.  Shaka was lucky to have them and visa versa.  Was a great match for him and them.

[The_Blaze]

They had talent.  You are kidding yourself

Oso, Kolek, Kam, Stevie, Joplin & Chase > all progressed much more than incoming high school recruits with similar rankings and expectations.  Look at their recruiting ratings then look at their Marquette results, individually and as a team.   

A big part of it is mental and leadership.  When you have Kolek & Oso leading by example other players do not want to let them down and when you have Stevie doing anything possible to help the team win, and sacrificing his body every game, it is motivating for everyone.

If you look at the current Freshmen and Sophomores with the top 4-5 recruiting rankings this season it is similar to the Oso-group mentioned above.  I'm not saying they will progress as much, as the Oso-group was special, but they will evolve and we should expect 1-2 to breakout.

I am not concerned about talent and player progression but loosing is deflating so we should all be concerned about loosing top players when the season ends.

[Viper]

Beautiful sunrise 🌞 this morning, so there's that.

[NCMUFan]

No kidding they had talent. Shaka and the coaching staff absolutely helped develop them into NBA players. I get it. We're all mad about what this team is. You don't have to rewrite history to take any credit away from this coaching staff.

Right, but wasn't Kolek player of the year in the conference he was in as a Freshman?
Can't say he didn't have loads of talent.
But Oso may not have turned into the player he became under Wojo.
Who knows about Stevie and Kam.  Clearly Wojo recruited two guys with a high level of talent.
OMax may not have become the player he became at Clemson.

[Billy Hoyle]

Right, but wasn't Kolek player of the year in the conference he was in as a Freshman?
Can't say he didn't have loads of talent.
But Oso may not have turned into the player he became under Wojo.
Who knows about Stevie and Kam.  Clearly Wojo recruited two guys with a high level of talent.
OMax may not have become the player he became at Clemson.

He was A10 Freshman of the Year

[Jay Bee]

I am not concerned about talent and player progression but loosing is deflating so we should all be concerned about loosing top players when the season ends.

It was going well until this paragraph. :/

[NCMUFan]

It was going well until this paragraph. :/

Right, we might become a team ripe for poaching best talent from.

[Warrior of Law]

When was the last time a MU player was benched and then not included on a road trip? Looks like there are some kinks in the "R" portion of the RGV. If this signals a roster overhaul, it can only be viewed as a step in the right direction.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Ignorant coach. Pathetic team. Historic season.

I get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for. It's depressing to see all the vitriol being bandied about from certain Scoopers about the coach, the team, and fellow Scoopers who choose not to jump on the "scorched earth" bandwagon. The minimal participation from select Scoopers who in prior seasons contributed learned posts and analysis - both positive and negative - is noticeable. Unless you join in the bashing, you get jumped on for being a slurper. It gets tiring and makes MUScoop a less attractive forum.

[Elonsmusk]

I get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for. It's depressing to see all the vitriol being bandied about from certain Scoopers about the coach, the team, and fellow Scoopers who choose not to jump on the "scorched earth" bandwagon. The minimal participation from select Scoopers who in prior seasons contributed learned posts and analysis - both positive and negative - is noticeable. Unless you join in the bashing, you get jumped on for being a slurper. It gets tiring and makes MUScoop a less attractive forum.

Onepost has the emotional fortitude of a 2 year old.  As do a handful of other scorched earth Scoopers - some of whom are very likely Badger trolls.

[onepost]

I get being frustrated with the season, but this is just uncalled for.

It's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.

We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.

[Billy Hoyle]

From the press conference:

Q: why was Zaide not here?
Shaka: personal reasons.

Q: is he suspended?
Shaka: no.

Q: is he leaving?
Shaka: no.

Zaide doesn't have a choice right now, as the transfer portal doesn't open up until after the season, and he can't drop to JUCO.  Unless he's going to do what the Badger football player (allegedly...) did and transfer on his own without having any contact with the coach or school (allegedly...) he's stuck at MU for the rest of the year.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43458151/xavier-lucas-leaves-wisconsin-miami-entering-portal

[MarquetteMike1977]

NM Wrong Thread

[Jay Bee]

Zaide doesn't have a choice right now, as the transfer portal doesn't open up until after the season

#FakeNews #Lies

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

It's uncalled for to call what Shaka is doing "ignorance"? Am I wrong? To not work with agents, to not take transfers, and to double and triple down on players who have only shown they aren't good enough for this level - I'd call that ignorant.

We're having a historically bad season, and you're upset posters are meeting that with heightened frustration? It's a message board.

You didn't say his decision to avoid the portal is ignorant. That is a critique of his choice of recruiting philosophy. No issue with that. You called him - the person - ignorant. That is a personal insult.



Nothing personal with my comment. As I noted, we're all frustrated with the season. Many others have posted similar. Yours just prompted my response. It's bad enough what's going on with the team, and then to have that turn MUScoop into a bitchfest is worse.