Caedin Hamilton Significant Contributor ?

[Pakuni]

I will say, Cardin is always up on the bench encouraging the guys and super into it. He looks like a great teammate. He might have a future as a coach when his playing days are over.

Nobody would complain if he were used as this team's Jack Haley.

[DienerTime34]

Were you around for Derrick Wilson?

Haha, I came here to say this. The funny thing is: It's not the fault of the player. There's no way either should have started or getting the type of minutes they have. Unfair to the player.

[Its DJOver]

People are to focused on starting.  Starting no matta. He's 7th in mpg, he's far from the biggest problem we have. Would I like for us to have the quality of players so that his current 19 mpg drops? Sure, but where are those minutes going to go? Hopefully Owens can build upon last night and take some of them, but it's clear that this year Hamilton is going to be a part of the rotation.

[vogue65]

We are #1, the best, the first, the most underdog team to root for.  Some team has to aspire to be a Cinderella team.  We fit the bill.  Half the country roots for Marquette every time we take the floor. 

One of these days Alice, one of these days.
We will make headlines, biggest upset of the year is just around the corner.

[Pakuni]

People are to focused on starting.  Starting no matta. He's 7th in mpg, he's far from the biggest problem we have. Would I like for us to have the quality of players so that his current 19 mpg drops? Sure, but where are those minutes going to go? Hopefully Owens can build upon last night and take some of them, but it's clear that this year Hamilton is going to be a part of the rotation.

I think Hamilton being "far from the biggest problem" is pretty debatable. He's certainly a big problem.
But even if true, the reason he's taking so much heat is because he's emblematic of the glaring failure of RGV this year. A third-year player who still looks lost out on the court, has developed no discernible skills (being large enough to snag a few rebounds isn't a skill) and is forced into the starting lineup/rotation because of the lack of recruiting/development around him.
It's unfair to him on a personal level, but it is what it is.

[Markusquette]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI&t=3s

[Its DJOver]

I think Hamilton being "far from the biggest problem" is pretty debatable. He's certainly a big problem.
But even if true, the reason he's taking so much heat is because he's emblematic of the glaring failure of RGV this year. A third-year player who still looks lost out on the court, has developed no discernible skills (being large enough to snag a few rebounds isn't a skill) and is forced into the starting lineup/rotation because of the lack of recruiting/development around him.
It's unfair to him on a personal level, but it is what it is.

Sure, overall, he's a prime target of RGV not working this year (although certainly not the only one), but I could list quite a few individual specific things that are a bigger problem than our 7th leading mpg player that only had a 15% usage rate.

[JakeBarnes]

The thing is, I saw on the floor last night that Shaka is rewarding those working the hardest in practice.  You saw DO finally have it pay off.  You saw Royce have another decent game offensively.   With regards to Caedin, you can see the footwork.  You can see the effort.   You can see everything except the payoff. 

With regards to the rest of the team, you see them getting the shots they want.  And then thinking, and guiding, and hitching. 

Much like the defensive rotations.  Still not there.  Still thinking instead of doing. 

Sigh. 

It would be nice to see that be the new normal for DO. 

Agree on a lot of this.

The chemistry is off. There's not really a leader either on the floor. Last year there were 3 guys doing it. This year, none.

[panda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI&t=3s

Those poor 4 subscribers

[Markusquette]

Those poor 4 subscribers

This is what Shaka briefed Clark with upon his arrival to the Al

[K1 Lover]

Were you around for Derrick Wilson?

I was not.

[panda]

Sure, overall, he's a prime target of RGV not working this year (although certainly not the only one), but I could list quite a few individual specific things that are a bigger problem than our 7th leading mpg player that only had a 15% usage rate.

A lot of eye test stuff here because I dont love defensive metrics/plus minus etc. His offensive numbers you referenced are poor but certainly not the reason for our struggles. However, defensively he is an absolute mess. He has no clue where he is on the floor most of the time. There were several times last night where he was on the weak side and had no sense to shift over to stop the dribble drive and it resulted in a wide open lay up.

Buzz did a good job of isolating him on the perimeter multiple times and he looked absolutely horrible in a 1v1 situation giving up an easy dribble penetration. 

Again, very subjective, but it seems like we give up lots of runs with him on the floor because of his poor court sense.

Lots of issues on this team, but his defense is top for me. We can definitely run a smaller line up without him on the floor. There are options to not play him, but Shaka is just being crazy stubborn with him for some reason.

[Hards Alumni]

I was not.

Joplin never had it as bad as Derrick Wilson did around here.

[Johnny B]

Those poor 4 subscribers

Dude can't wear a mic or just record the audio separately? Can't hear a damn thing he's saying

[JoanofArcMascot]

Caedin does a lot of the little things right. Unfortunately, he does none of the big stuff even decently.

Actually, not sure what you mean by little things, but is too slow and lacking in basketball instincts to be an adequate help defender. At the other end, ball sticks in his hands as offense grinds to a halt. Also, telegraphs passes and turns it over too often. Seems like a nice guy in interviews and interactions with teammates and coaches, so I can't imagine him being most "hated" player on this board. He does one big thing OK: rebounds, though not nearly as well as Joshua Clark. Don't know whether Clark ready to play yet but I like his ceiling far better.

[willie warrior]

I think Hamilton takes the cake for all time most hated player on this board. I can't stand the dude being on the team either but damn.

This team has many issues besides Hamilton. People signaling him out are not objective.

[Tha Hound]

Please don't compare Hamilton to Derrick Wilson. Derrick was at least a mid-major level player.

[cheebs09]

That's TBT-Champion Derrick Wilson.

[Hards Alumni]

Please don't compare Hamilton to Derrick Wilson. Derrick was at least a mid-major level player.

I didn't.  Just said that if people around here thought the hate for Joplin was bad, they missed the D-Wilson hate... which was far far worse.

[Small Orange Soda]

People are to focused on starting.  Starting no matta. He's 7th in mpg, he's far from the biggest problem we have. Would I like for us to have the quality of players so that his current 19 mpg drops? Sure, but where are those minutes going to go? Hopefully Owens can build upon last night and take some of them, but it's clear that this year Hamilton is going to be a part of the rotation.

Overall, the biggest problem with this team is the lack of 'growth' on the roster; however, he's the only one whose minutes don't reflect that.

[Johnny B]

This team has many issues besides Hamilton. People signaling him out are not objective.

No one is signaling him out they're pretty much rightfully calling out almost everybody. Sure Hamilton gets more than others cause he starts for some unimaginable reason and is the clearest "not good enough for this level" guy in the rotation by far

[Small Orange Soda]

Norman, Lowery, Amadou, Hamilton: what an absolutely abysmal recruiting class that has turned out to be. Can't whiff that bad on a four person class.

[vogue65]

To win the tipoff.

[Its DJOver]

Overall, the biggest problem with this team is the lack of 'growth' on the roster; however, he's the only one whose minutes don't reflect that.

200 minutes have to come from somewhere.  Despite starting, he was 7th in minutes last night with the only rotation player getting less being AS.  That was also with no Zaide who likely would have gotten more minutes than him had he not been a DNPCD. CH has played more than 21 minutes in a grand total of 1 regulation length game. It's not like when Derrick was averaging 33 mpg.

[hawk]

This team is truly a disappointment to this point in the season.  They may disappoint for the entire year but I have to agree with Tower, if you watch the team you can see the work, they are trying hard to be better.  I think they are becoming but they are not yet there.  Learning is a strange thing,it is improvement over time and trials but there is know way to know how much time or how many trials.  I had hoped for much more out of this team and I hope that by the end of the year they learn how not to try but simply to do.  Imagine a game where every player that uyou have seen play this year all had solid games at the same time, that is what this team can be but is not yet.