[Paint Touches] What is MU's best lineup and why don’t we see it more?

[1SE]

So I gave chatGPT the game logs from last night. Here's the breakdown through the game

1st half rotations

20:00–17:49 (02:11) +/- +3 — Caedin Hamilton; Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross

17:49–15:14 (02:35) +/- -2 — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold

15:14–13:36 (01:38) +/- +2 — Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Caedin Hamilton; Sean Jones

13:36–13:19 (00:17) +/- +2 — Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Caedin Hamilton; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

13:19–11:51 (01:28) +/- +1 — Tre Norman; Caedin Hamilton; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens; Nigel James Jr.

11:51–08:46 (03:05) +/- +2 — Sean Jones; Damarius Owens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Royce Parham

08:46–06:34 (02:12) +/- +0 — Chase Ross; Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Michael Phillips II

06:34–06:33 (00:01) +/- +0 — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Michael Phillips II; Sean Jones

06:33–06:16 (00:17) +/- +0 — Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Michael Phillips II; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton

06:16–05:28 (00:48) +/- +1 — Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton; Damarius Owens

05:28–05:20 (00:08) +/- +0 — Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton; Damarius Owens; Tre Norman

05:20–04:42 (00:38) +/- -2 — Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens; Tre Norman; Royce Parham

04:42–04:00 (00:42) +/- -3 — Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens; Tre Norman; Chase Ross

04:00–02:25 (01:35) +/- -5 — Sean Jones; Damarius Owens; Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.; Caedin Hamilton

02:25–00:00 (02:25) +/- -3 — Damarius Owens; Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.; Caedin Hamilton; Adrien Stevens

2nd half rotations

20:00–19:21 (00:39) +/- +1 — Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.; Caedin Hamilton; Adrien Stevens; Royce Parham

19:21–16:30 (02:51) +/- -4 — Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.; Adrien Stevens; Royce Parham; Ben Gold

16:30–16:30 (00:00) +/- -1 — Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Ben Gold; Damarius Owens

16:30–16:15 (00:15) +/- +0 — Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Ben Gold; Damarius Owens; Sean Jones

16:15–15:20 (00:55) +/- +3 — Nigel James Jr.; Ben Gold; Damarius Owens; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton

15:20–11:31 (03:49) +/- -1 — Ben Gold; Damarius Owens; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton; Chase Ross

11:31–11:03 (00:28) +/- -2 — Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Caedin Hamilton; Chase Ross; Nigel James Jr.

11:03–09:26 (01:37) +/- +0 — Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Damarius Owens

09:26–04:26 (05:00) +/- -4 — Ben Gold; Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Damarius Owens; Chase Ross

04:26–01:55 (02:31) +/- +2 — Ben Gold; Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Damarius Owens; Sean Jones

01:55–00:00 (01:55) +/- +1 — Nigel James Jr.; Royce Parham; Damarius Owens; Sean Jones; Chase Ross

and here's the breakdown by lineup:

Total 05:26 +/- -6 (2 stints) — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold

1H 17:49–15:14 (02:35) -2

2H 19:21–16:30 (02:51) -4

Total 05:00 +/- +3 (2 stints) — Royce Parham; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

1H 11:51–08:46 (03:05) +2

2H 01:55–00:00 (01:55) +1

Total 05:00 +/- -5 (2 stints) — Royce Parham; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Damarius Owens

2H 16:30–16:30 (00:00) -1

2H 09:26–04:26 (05:00) -4

Total 04:23 +/- +2 (3 stints) — Royce Parham; Nigel James Jr.; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

2H 16:30–16:15 (00:15) +0

2H 11:03–09:26 (01:37) +0

2H 04:26–01:55 (02:31) +2

Total 03:49 +/- -1 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 02:50 +/- +4 (2 stints) — Caedin Hamilton; Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross

1H 20:00–17:49 (02:11) +3

2H 20:00–19:21 (00:39) +1

Total 02:25 +/- -3 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Damarius Owens

Total 02:12 +/- +0 (1 stint) — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Michael Phillips II

Total 01:38 +/- +2 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Sean Jones

Total 01:35 +/- -5 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 01:28 +/- +1 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Nigel James Jr.; Tre Norman; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 00:55 +/- +3 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Nigel James Jr.; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 00:48 +/- +1 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 00:42 +/- -3 (1 stint) — Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 00:38 +/- -2 (1 stint) — Royce Parham; Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

Total 00:28 +/- -2 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Sean Jones

Total 00:25 +/- +2 (2 stints) — Caedin Hamilton; Ben Gold; Tre Norman; Sean Jones; Damarius Owens

1H 13:36–13:19 (00:17) +2

1H 05:28–05:20 (00:08) +0

Total 00:17 +/- +0 (1 stint) — Caedin Hamilton; Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Michael Phillips II

Total 00:01 +/- +0 (1 stint) — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Ben Gold; Sean Jones; Michael Phillips II

So Shaka subbed 26 different times with 19 (really 18) distinct lineups. I know +/- is an iffy stat, but the two line-ups we like a lot did get a lot of PT - but also were pretty bad:

Total 05:26 +/- -6 (2 stints) — Royce Parham; Adrien Stevens; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold

1H 17:49–15:14 (02:35) -2

2H 19:21–16:30 (02:51) -4

Total 05:00 +/- -5 (2 stints) — Royce Parham; Nigel James Jr.; Chase Ross; Ben Gold; Damarius Owens

2H 16:30–16:30 (00:00) -1

2H 09:26–04:26 (05:00) -4

That said, either Caedin or Tre was in from 6:33 to the end of the 1st half when we went from up 24-18 to down 37-33.

We suck, so it's hard to know how many conclusions to draw, but I think there are two things

1) Caedin and Tre shouldn't play

2) 19 (18) different roster permutations seems pretty high at this point of the season - How in the world can guys get "connected"/in the flow when you change up that often? How do guys get to know/trust where others are on the floor, etc. IDK if there's a conventional wisdom on this - but chat GPT seems to suggest 6-10 permutations might be reasonable at this point in the season

It seems like we really should tighten it to those 8.

And Ben - FFS - you can't go 0 fer - 31.6% now on the season from our senior leader - many of those misses wide open looks from the corner. WOOOF. 

[JoanofArcMascot]

For the life of me, I can't understand Caedin continuing to get more than 5 minutes per game.  It's just not happening with him.

He missed two point-blank layups last week.

Why the 5 minutes? Give those to Clark.

[Pakuni]

Oh boy ...

https://x.com/CrackedSidewlks/status/2002073407412973732?s=20

[tower912]

Well, when MU gets 5 guts out there who ate all playing help defense and making their layups ups, we will find out if he was right. 


After all, Zaide is.o e of the.guys in the best lineup, and, interpreting Shaka coachspeak, he was benched for a poor attitude.
  So, the conundrum for a coach, similar to the one he is having with Caedin.  If a guy is the hardest worker in practice, how much do you reward him in the game?  If a player is, according to analytics, part of your best 5, but does not have a great attitude in practice, what do you do?

Allen Iverson: We're talking about practice.