Is Shaka doubling down or just protecting his guys?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If Shaka is recruiting guys who care more about money than playing time or wining, then MU is screwed and Shaka is gone. This is a situation 180 degrees from RGV.

Come on, dude.  Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.

He preaches relationships and family.  If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process?  And rightfully so. 

And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out." 

[Biggie Clausen]

Umm Broeker gave an interview where he said he was surprised at how disappointed the MU fanbase was with Wojo's cumulative work. I'm apprehensive that he may not have his finger on the pulse of what winning expectations the fanbase has.

If the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February.  As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways.  So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable.  This year could be a different story.

[Jay Bee]

Come on, dude.  Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.

He preaches relationships and family.  If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process?  And rightfully so. 

And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out." 

If Tre can cut down on the really bad plays, he's just fine as an 8-12 minute guy next season.

Nonetheless, it's not a wild thought to imagine him going down to (another?) a mid-major school and getting heavy PT to wrap up his college career. Not a bad thing.

[panda]

If the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February.  As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways.  So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable.  This year could be a different story.

I'm worried about what happens when the boos come out at home

[WhiteTrash]

Umm Broeker gave an interview where he said he was surprised at how disappointed the MU fanbase was with Wojo's cumulative work. I'm apprehensive that he may not have his finger on the pulse of what winning expectations the fanbase has.

I seriously doubt the fans feelings were very important in the decision to fire Wojo.

MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.

[WhiteTrash]

Come on, dude.  Of course he is not recruiting those guys but use some common sense.

He preaches relationships and family.  If someone like Tre, who is very likely not going to play ball professionally, would forfeit a significant amount of money his senior year by transferring, you don't think that is going to play into Tre's decision making process?  And rightfully so. 

And in that hypothetical scenario, I don't think Shaka says "Sorry Tre, you're out." 

I think it is reasonable for players to transition into guys who simply collect checks, it happens in other pro sports. Shaka is tasked with identifying those issues and dealing with it in an ethical way. Maybe as simple as reserving 1 or 2 spots for transfers?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If Tre can cut down on the really bad plays, he's just fine as an 8-12 minute guy next season.

Nonetheless, it's not a wild thought to imagine him going down to (another?) a mid-major school and getting heavy PT to wrap up his college career. Not a bad thing.

Tre has improved.  He's fine as depth and I don't have an issue with him using a roster spot.

However, I'm skeptical that he would make the same or more NIL transferring down.  Maybe I'm completely wrong on that. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I think it is reasonable for players to transition into guys who simply collect checks, it happens in other pro sports. Shaka is tasked with identifying those issues and dealing with it in an ethical way. Maybe as simple as reserving 1 or 2 spots for transfers?

In this hypothetical, I'm not saying the only reason Tre or another guy would stay is the paycheck, but it's obviously now a major consideration.

And yeah, Shaka may want to start keeping one roster spot open for that additional flexibility.

[Jay Bee]

Tre has improved.  He's fine as depth and I don't have an issue with him using a roster spot.

However, I'm skeptical that he would make the same or more NIL transferring down.  Maybe I'm completely wrong on that. 

Yes, I don't know what the market would pay for him. Would he be willing to enter the portal and see if he can find a bag AND get major PT? Maybe. I don't know and hopefully he doesn't know until a decision is made. The idea he may get the same or a bit more $$ playing elsewhere doesn't seem crazy to me tbh.

[Newsdreams]

was thinking the same...or maybe Bobby Knightback in the day.

Of course, coming from a total trash of a human being would be expected

[MU82]

He's not going to do that in that setting. He's not going to publicly do that at all.

Folks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.

[WhiteTrash]

Folks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.

10, 20 or 30 games into the season, no coach would ever say that.

[Billy Hoyle]

If the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February.  As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways.  So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable.  This year could be a different story.

I saw photos from the Valpo game showing a maybe 1/3 full student-section (and that was with the tarp covering the top rows). It reminded me of my student section experiences during the Deane years. Apathy is setting in among the students.

[Viper]

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I seriously doubt the fans feelings were very important in the decision to fire Wojo.

MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.
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" MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it."    Hoping you are correct. Not sure what the current Prez might know of MU's hoops pedigree, or the importance it is to the overall good.

[HutchwasClutch]

I saw photos from the Valpo game showing a maybe 1/3 full student-section (and that was with the tarp covering the top rows). It reminded me of my student section experiences during the Deane years. Apathy is setting in among the students.

Absolutely. I was there and it was a terrible showing and I thought of the Deane years too. 

[Viper]

I seriously doubt the fans feelings were very important in the decision to fire Wojo.

MU's leadership knows that MBB is a very valuable asset that can't be allowed to be neglected, and make the appropriate decisions concerning it.

Summary...thought my just prior post deleted.

...Hopefully you are correct re: current MU Prez.. Hoops junkie like Father Wild was would be awesome. However, even if not, recognition of a successful MBB program to the overall good is critical imo.

[WhiteTrash]

Summary...thought my just prior post deleted.

...Hopefully you are correct re: current MU Prez.. Hoops junkie like Father Wild was would be awesome. However, even if not, recognition of a successful MBB program to the overall good is critical imo.

In the past 35 years has MU ever failed to make the tough or expensive decisions to support the team?

[Billy Hoyle]

In the past 35 years has MU ever failed to make the tough or expensive decisions to support the team?

This.

And it's more than just the President, it's the Board of Trustees, and they fully know how much a successful Men's Basketball program means to the university. It wasn't just Lovell and Scholl who made the call on Wojo, my guess is it was the BOT who pushed that decision.

[MU82]

10, 20 or 30 games into the season, no coach would ever say that.

Of course not. That at least a few Scoopers think he should is pretty laughable.

[Small Orange Soda]

Folks actually think that, 10 games into the season, a coach is going to use a postgame presser to say, "I've been wrong about everything all along, and I'm gonna make a 180-degree change to my philosophy." So funny.

Cool strawman.

He doesn't need to say that. Hopefully behind closed doors he's at least telling his boss his philosophy needs a real adjustment. "I need to do better" at a presser wouldn't hurt.

[GoFastAndWin]

Getting used to this board is fairly easy once you realize that any thought or opinion you share is far more likely to be met with antagonism than constructive dialogue.

There's a guy on here named Tower who you could usually count on for the latter, but it seems he's on vacation this season. Lucky him.

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[MU82]

Cool strawman.

He doesn't need to say that. Hopefully behind closed doors he's at least telling his boss his philosophy needs a real adjustment. "I need to do better" at a presser wouldn't hurt.

If you've been reading Scoop, you'd know it's not a strawman. Some folks here seem to want him to admit during the season that his player-procurement philosophy has failed.

Agree with your last sentence. A coach should include himself when talking about his or her team's struggles.

[GoFastAndWin]

Agreed, but neither is being a self righteous a-hole to the media and fans.

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[Galway Eagle]

If the season continues to play out like it has, there will be lots of empty seats at weeknight games in January and February.  As much as I disliked the majority of the Wojo years, we were at least not completely out of the running for an at-large bid at any time besides 2014-15, when everyone knew we'd be bad anyways.  So, the program never really saw that attendance dip in a way that was really noticeable.  This year could be a different story.

Which part of his final year were we "not completely out of the running for an at-large bid"

[rocky_warrior]

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