What would make you show Shaka the door in March?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

You keep saying this and it's simply idiotic. WE WERE RANKED IN THE TOP 10 TO START MARCH IN YEAR 5!!!

Stop acting like it was unreasonable to support the coach of a top-10 team.

We were ranked in the top 5 last season.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

The current players might like Shaka but have heard some former players are upset with Shaka.

Care to share more?

[MU82]

The current players might like Shaka but have heard some former players are upset with Shaka.

Without names and reasons, as well as something to vouch for the credibility of the source, this sounds questionable at best.

[Small Orange Soda]

Without names and reasons, as well as something to vouch for the credibility of the source, this sounds questionable at best.

Former players are fans too.

[Zog from Margo]

I'm not off the rails. The simple reality is Shaka has built his program around RGV and it is clearly a failed model, and he can't retool the roster the way it needs to be retooled without betraying everything he's said the last 4 years. I take him at his word, which means either he compromises his morals and promises to players, he doesn't compromise and we continue to suck, or he leaves.

I don't think he'll do the first option, I don't think the second is acceptable, which leaves only the third. It's not that he's not capable, it's that he's painted himself into a corner and can't stay at Marquette and quickly turn this around without betraying all the trust he's built up.

And no, we didn't pursue Owen Freeman or any other transfers. We haven't seriously pursued a D1 transfer in years.

I think "betraying trust" is an overstatement. Ben Steele said in his article that he expects a couple of players to transfer after the season and Shaka has not said he would never use the portal. Shaka has given the guys he recruited every chance in the world to succeed. He's already favored them over players in the portal. So giving them years to show what they have before telling them they won't be playing in the future at MU is not betraying any trust IMO.

[Viper]

We were ranked in the top 5 last season.

preseason #18. Made it to # 5 early December . Still top 10 early January. Overrated, but no one is complaining! Started to slide from there...#25 heading into the BET. Unranked the week after. 1st rd ncaa exit. You know the rest. 

[MuggsyB]

I think "betraying trust" is an overstatement. Ben Steele said in his article that he expects a couple of players to transfer after the season and Shaka has not said he would never use the portal. Shaka has given the guys he recruited every chance in the world to succeed. He's already favored them over players in the portal. So giving them years to show what they have before telling them they won't be playing in the future at MU is not betraying any trust IMO.

100% correct.  Especially in this climate.  It's time to get some freaking ballers with an array or skills and weapons at their disposal. 

[jesmu84]

The current players might like Shaka but have heard some former players are upset with Shaka.

Source?

[wadesworld]

Source?

Somebody whispered it in his ear. Just like somebody whispered that Nolan's dream school was MU but we don't have the money for him and that Nolan's family says that MU needs more than just Nolan.

[BM1090]

Well the good news is for a measured guy like you (who apparently isn't off the rails) and who formerly preached patience, and gave Wojo 5 years - Shaka will have 5 years to show that he's getting things on the right "trajectory."  He, far more than a guy like Wojo, should get 5 years, since he's already accomplished a crap ton at MU in his first 4 years.

So, lets call this Year 1 of Wojo, essentially.  To argue Shaka has to fix it in one year is silly - much like you, TAMU and other Projos suggested needing to give Wojo time to improve versus firing him after 1 or 2 years - and he didn't even have any skins on the wall for credentials of a Final Four, Sweet 16, 4 straight NCAAs at MU out of the gate before tailing off.

Look. Shaka has accomplished infinitely more than Wojo. He's a better coach. He's a better developer of talent. I prefer him as a representative of the university. I relate to him a lot more.

But we're staring at a year that would be significantly worse than Wojo's first two years. We might be the worst power conference team in the nation this year. If he has another one next year, he should be fired. If they improve a lot next year and but are still bad, I'd give him another year to show he's back on track. But this is an insanely bad team. And he's responsible for it.

I like Shaka a lot and hope he's here a long time, but he needs to do better than whatever the hell this is.

[MU82]

I think "betraying trust" is an overstatement. Ben Steele said in his article that he expects a couple of players to transfer after the season and Shaka has not said he would never use the portal. Shaka has given the guys he recruited every chance in the world to succeed. He's already favored them over players in the portal. So giving them years to show what they have before telling them they won't be playing in the future at MU is not betraying any trust IMO.

Outstanding post.

Shaka is great at talking to people, and he's a very persuasive gentleman.

I truly believe he would be able to convince the majority of folks who matter (current players and their parents, and recruits and their parents) that RGV is still a thing at MU ... even if some current players are "encouraged" to leave, and even if the portal is used the way programs such as Purdue, Gonzaga and MSU do.

I hope Shaka does that and I think he will, but obviously none of us know what he actually will do after this season.

[Elonsmusk]

Look. Shaka has accomplished infinitely more than Wojo. He's a better coach. He's a better developer of talent. I prefer him as a representative of the university. I relate to him a lot more.

But we're staring at a year that would be significantly worse than Wojo's first two years. We might be the worst power conference team in the nation this year. If he has another one next year, he should be fired. If they improve a lot next year and but are still bad, I'd give him another year to show he's back on track. But this is an insanely bad team. And he's responsible for it.

I like Shaka a lot and hope he's here a long time, but he needs to do better than whatever the hell this is.

I'm astounded some people can't comprehend the context with which I wrote my post suggesting Shaka should have 5 years to get us back on the right "trajectory"  I just found it ironic that the Scooper who preached patience with Wojo (Brewcity77) for 5 years, when Wojo had accomplished ZERO at MU or elsehwere as a Head Coach - is flat out pissed off and thinks Shaka should have a warm seat for his first bad season at MU, AFTER doing a very good job at MU the first 4 years.  Get it?

I don't think it will take Shaka 5 years to turn it around, but for you or other Scoopers who thought my post suggesting he should get 5 years was crazy - then those same Scoopers sure AF had a weird double and different standard for Wojo..who hadn't done squat at MU and preached patience for 5 years.

If Shaka chooses to stay at MU he will get things turned around within a couple of years max.  But, I wouldn't blame him for leaving for a Power 4 job at a school with better donor base.  The way our fanbase has turned on him astounds me after what he's accomplished here having come into a program that hadn't won a tournament game in 10 years.

[jesmu84]

Somebody whispered it in his ear. Just like somebody whispered that Nolan's dream school was MU but we don't have the money for him and that Nolan's family says that MU needs more than just Nolan.

To be fair, he was fooled by a twitter account

[brewcity77]

I think "betraying trust" is an overstatement. Ben Steele said in his article that he expects a couple of players to transfer after the season and Shaka has not said he would never use the portal. Shaka has given the guys he recruited every chance in the world to succeed. He's already favored them over players in the portal. So giving them years to show what they have before telling them they won't be playing in the future at MU is not betraying any trust IMO.

Has Shaka said word for word "I'll never use the portal."? No. But all this is fantasy talk.

Go back and read the Marquette Magazine article. The Athletic puff piece. Or pretty much any article about Marquette and the portal where Shaka is quoted the last 3 years.

Public comments about prioritizing guys who've worn the jersey, about not recruiting over guys with the portal, about the NBA being the only place guys leave Marquette early for, all this has made it clear that Shaka has told all these guys he'll stand by them and RGV. I mean, he overhauled the Spirit Shop and website with RGV gear. Does anyone really believe he isn't telling recruits the stuff he's telling the New York Times?

[WhiteTrash]

I'm astounded some people can't comprehend the context with which I wrote my post suggesting Shaka should have 5 years to get us back on the right "trajectory"  I just found it ironic that the Scooper who preached patience with Wojo (Brewcity77) for 5 years, when Wojo had accomplished ZERO at MU or elsehwere as a Head Coach - is flat out pissed off and thinks Shaka should have a warm seat for his first bad season at MU, AFTER doing a very good job at MU the first 4 years.  Get it?

I don't think it will take Shaka 5 years to turn it around, but for you or other Scoopers who thought my post suggesting he should get 5 years was crazy - then those same Scoopers sure AF had a weird double and different standard for Wojo..who hadn't done squat at MU and preached patience for 5 years.

If Shaka chooses to stay at MU he will get things turned around within a couple of years max.  But, I wouldn't blame him for leaving for a Power 4 job at a school with better donor base.  The way our fanbase has turned on him astounds me after what he's accomplished here having come into a program that hadn't won a tournament game in 10 years.

You think you have your finger on the pulse of the MU fanbase,.............you don't.

[Shooter McGavin]

I'm astounded some people can't comprehend the context with which I wrote my post suggesting Shaka should have 5 years to get us back on the right "trajectory"  I just found it ironic that the Scooper who preached patience with Wojo (Brewcity77) for 5 years, when Wojo had accomplished ZERO at MU or elsehwere as a Head Coach - is flat out pissed off and thinks Shaka should have a warm seat for his first bad season at MU, AFTER doing a very good job at MU the first 4 years.  Get it?

I don't think it will take Shaka 5 years to turn it around, but for you or other Scoopers who thought my post suggesting he should get 5 years was crazy - then those same Scoopers sure AF had a weird double and different standard for Wojo..who hadn't done squat at MU and preached patience for 5 years.

If Shaka chooses to stay at MU he will get things turned around within a couple of years max.  But, I wouldn't blame him for leaving for a Power 4 job at a school with better donor base.  The way our fanbase has turned on him astounds me after what he's accomplished here having come into a program that hadn't won a tournament game in 10 years.

Has the fanbase really turned on him?  This is a message board with a very small percentage of MU fans on it.  And the vast majority say they want Shaka to stay while also saying this years results are unacceptable.  Have you polled the fanbase?

This is a completely natural reaction to this level of losing.  I'm sure Shaka, if he actually is aware of scoop and other fan boards, understands the dismay of the fanbase.  I'm sure he is also disappointed things have gone so poorly with his recruiting over the last four years. 

Overall, I guess I'm not sure what you are talking about when you say you wouldn't be surprised if he left because of how fast the fanbase has turned on him.  The fanbase expects better and they should.  Whether you want it to be or not it is a very proud program, with a very proud fanbase.  I'm sure Shaka takes pride in that fact and takes it very seriously.  I'm pretty sure if he could address the fan base directly he would take responsibility and promise to get this fixed ASAP.

Now if your assumption is right that he failed to get recruits based on lack of funding I get your point.  If I were him, I'd leave for a P4 program too,  However, I'm not sure that you are correct on that point.

[Mu8891]

Elon - You think that Shaka will get
" a couple of years " to turn it around after this ( soon to be ) 20 loss season?? lol

So, they will be " better " by spring of 2028 ?

Prez Kimo is clueless. And Broeker has been a career No. 2 guy for a reason, but if this goes on thru next year, the real donors will crush them, the Fiserv will be a ghost town, and the BOT will have to go into witness protection.  They would be absolutely forced to can him if next year is a similar debacle.

[WhiteTrash]

Elon - You think that Shaka will get
" a couple of years " to turn it around after this ( soon to be ) 20 loss season?? lol

So, they will be " better " by spring of 2028 ?

Prez Kimo is clueless. And Broeker has been a career No. 2 guy for a reason, but if this goes on thru next year, the real donors will crush them, the Fiserv will be a ghost town, and the BOT will have to go into witness protection.  They would be absolutely forced to can him if next year is a similar debacle.

It takes a special kind of arrogance to think any one person is bigger than the program and university.