What would make you show Shaka the door in March?

[willie warrior]

Gottlieb announced he's finally focused on basketball, maybe we should get him

Never. He played for a while at No Dick. No No Dick connections to MU. That is blasphemy.

[Hards Alumni]

THIS!

It isn't that we're having a down year. If we pull out the Dayton, Oklahoma, and Maryland games, we're sitting at 8-4 and probably a similar spot in analytics, but you can at least sugar coat that "hey, maybe we have a chance if we get hot in the league."

This season was over in November. This is looking like a worse season than what got Wojo or Deane fired. This looks like it could rival Dukiet's lowest point. We are going to have 3 more months of this negativity festering. Wojo and Deane at least had some life into January.

If we were just routine bad, 70-90 in kenpom, faint hope at turning things around but at least having a Crown/NIT bid on the horizon with a promising young crop of players who don't quite get it yet, it would be different. Instead, we are the worst team in the league and losing our two best players next year with a full roster and no scholarship flexibility.

Maybe I was spoiled by being at Marquette in 2003, by seeing the heights of Crean and Buzz, and even by Shaka's own performance from 2022-25. The reality is as much as the year that got Wojo fired was unacceptable by Marquette standards, this is exponentially worse.

Shaka is the captain of this ship. When the captain is ignoring everyone telling him about the iceberg, instead steering directly into it with no attempt to course-correct and the boat sinks, you're not going to be a captain after the rescue crews pick you up no matter how well you did before you rammed into an iceberg.

If you had told me before the season I'd be at this point before the New Year, I wouldn't have believed it, but when you have a historically bad season then unprecedented actions regarding leadership are far more justifiable.

This is a tad reactionary.  You believed as did Shaka that they were going to be good this year.  I know it sucks, and I agree it's a really bad year that ended in November.  But what should he do right this moment to fix it?  Start running players off?  Mix up lineups?  Go with the stats?  Nothing is working.

He is stuck with these guys until March.  If he can't fix it in the off season then I'm (sadly) understanding if the school moves on. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

THIS!

It isn't that we're having a down year. If we pull out the Dayton, Oklahoma, and Maryland games, we're sitting at 8-4 and probably a similar spot in analytics, but you can at least sugar coat that "hey, maybe we have a chance if we get hot in the league."

This season was over in November. This is looking like a worse season than what got Wojo or Deane fired. This looks like it could rival Dukiet's lowest point. We are going to have 3 more months of this negativity festering. Wojo and Deane at least had some life into January.

If we were just routine bad, 70-90 in kenpom, faint hope at turning things around but at least having a Crown/NIT bid on the horizon with a promising young crop of players who don't quite get it yet, it would be different. Instead, we are the worst team in the league and losing our two best players next year with a full roster and no scholarship flexibility.

Maybe I was spoiled by being at Marquette in 2003, by seeing the heights of Crean and Buzz, and even by Shaka's own performance from 2022-25. The reality is as much as the year that got Wojo fired was unacceptable by Marquette standards, this is exponentially worse.

Shaka is the captain of this ship. When the captain is ignoring everyone telling him about the iceberg, instead steering directly into it with no attempt to course-correct and the boat sinks, you're not going to be a captain after the rescue crews pick you up no matter how well you did before you rammed into an iceberg.

If you had told me before the season I'd be at this point before the New Year, I wouldn't have believed it, but when you have a historically bad season then unprecedented actions regarding leadership are far more justifiable.

Wojo wasn't fired because of his last season.  It may have been the impetus that lead to change but it was his entire mediocre tenure that significantly contributed the angst around him and his ultimate dismissal. 

Yes, this is an absolute embarrassment of a season.  But there's a lot of extreme tunnel vision here, too. 

[panda]

Wojo wasn't fired because of his last season.  It may have been the impetus that lead to change but it was his entire mediocre tenure that significantly contributed the angst around him and his ultimate dismissal. 

Yes, this is an absolute embarrassment of a season.  But there's a lot of extreme tunnel vision here, too. 

*Abomination of a season
*Wojo level collapse last season

[Vander Blue Man Group]

*Abomination of a season
*Wojo level collapse last season

Try again but with an actual response.

[Hards Alumni]

Wojo was fired because he refused to change himself or staff.

 

[onepost]

Wojo was fired because he refused to change himself or staff.

 

Yep. Didn't feel like he needed to change anything and was told he needed to replace Jake Presutti (IIRC) to keep his job. Wouldn't agree to it. Rest is history.

[brewcity77]

Wojo wasn't fired because of his last season. 

Not solely, but that year did get him fired in conjunction with what came before. The point in what you quoted is that this year is exponentially worse than the year that did get him fired. 2021 was a much better & more successful team than this one has been.

[Galway Eagle]

*Abomination of a season
*Wojo level collapse last season

I'm sick of this back and forth so let me explain why you and VBMG keep having this pissing match. It's about level of granularity.

A CEO may say at the end of the year "we had a good year, we hit the baseline benchmark of xyz this year" but in reality it might be skewed by an over performance in q1. The CEO isn't wrong, the year hit the benchmark, they're just ignoring why.

So when you say we had a bad season, you're ignoring that he hit benchmark standards which is what VBMG is saying. When, he says we had a good year, he's ignoring that it was skewed by over performing early on. You both need to speak the same language Month over month performance, ytd, season over season etc or else both of you will keep passive aggressively correcting each other.

[LAZER]

Well done, and right on target.  The angst and dart throwing toward Shaka by some Scoopers is embarrassing, and ignorant AF.

Well Shaka's approach to this year's team is embarrassing and ignorant AF too.

[Small Orange Soda]

I don't think the last season alone got Wojo fired. There was a body of work there that showed things probably weren't going to improve too much and he pushed back on the administration's request to update the staff.

I could get on board with parting ways with Shaka if at the end of the year he says, I'm not going in the portal and will run this same team back next year.

After the collapse and the Hausers exit, Wojo essentially sealed his fate in that the next down season was going to be his last, and it was. If Shaka makes significant changes and makes the tourney next year, he won't be in that position. But if he doesn't he will be, just like at Texas. Hope he's learned his lesson.

[wadesworld]

I don't think the last season alone got Wojo fired. There was a body of work there that showed things probably weren't going to improve too much and he pushed back on the administration's request to update the staff.

I could get on board with parting ways with Shaka if at the end of the year he says, I'm not going in the portal and will run this same team back next year.

Correct.  The idea that because Shaka is having a worse season than the one that got Wojo fired means Shaka should be fired is just showing you don't know how this works.  There's WAY more context to look at than "What was the season before Wojo got fired like compared to this year?"