What would make you show Shaka the door in March?

[1SE]

The poster is posting nonsense out of ignorance.

Or, you know, a thing that happens. But ad hominems are cool.

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2024/12/17/mike-norvell-mike-gundy-brian-kelly-college-football-coaches-nil/77022107007/

[DoctorV]

So we're financially locked in to terrible players? Looks like Sgaka bet on R and G and lost. Maybe he should follow the lead of some other College coaches and give back some of his salary for rev share.

I assume that Tre Norman is making over 500k this season, which is more than most, but not all, members of this board.

Not to single him out, but just an example.

It's probably for the best that player salaries aren't public record, because many fans can get very ugly even without the figures, let alone if that data was shared.

I do not assume that these are locked contracts, my guess is that they can change year to year depending on circumstance, but I do not know that as a fact.
Whatever the case, hopefully the young man is saving 90+% of that salary.

Has he earned that salary? Maybe not statistically, but perhaps with his buy into the head coaches RGV model!
He's earned a lot of fan frustration, that's for sure.
He's also been given ample opportunities.
I would assume that it's up to coach to decide if it's worth the renewal or if it needs to be restructured

You can rinse and repeat the above exercise for every member of the team outside the seniors and the two standout freshmen

[Johnny B]

I assume that Tre Norman is making over 500k this season, which is more than most, but not all, members of this board.

Not to single him out, but just an example.

It's probably for the best that player salaries aren't public record, because many fans can get very ugly even without the figures, let alone if that data was shared.

I do not assumed that these are locked contracts, my guess is that they can change year to year depending on circumstance but I do not know that as a fact.
Whatever the case, hopefully the young man is saving 90+% of that salary.

Has he earned that salary? Maybe not statistically, but perhaps with his buy into the head coaches RGV model!
He's earned a lot of fan frustration, that's for sure.
He's also been given ample opportunities.
It's up to coach to decide if it's worth the renewal or if it needs to be restructured I would assume.

You can rinse and repeat the above exercise for every member of the team outside the seniors and the two standout freshmen

Doubt he's making that much cause it'd be asinine. But if he was Shaka straight up cutting him would be 100% condonable

[Warrior of Law]

It is my understanding that the NIL increases annually, hence the reason that guys don't transfer. If that's true, then there is some enormous waste of resources scheduled for 2026-27. I can't imagine that the MU folks in charge don't have an out clause that will allow them to dump most/all of the upcoming seniors and juniors. With revenue and interest in this team dropping daily, it may be a financial decision more so than a basketball issue.

[rocky_warrior]

making over 500k this season, which is more than most, but not all, members of this board

You must have forgotten to send back your signed MUScoop revenue sharing agreement??? (shrug)

[MU82]

The only thing that would make me show Shaka the door in March is if he started a poll on Scoop.

[Viper]

The only thing that would make me show Shaka the door in March is if he started a poll on Scoop.

yes/no question. if 26/27 replicates 25/26, move on from Shaka?

[Zog from Margo]

I assume that Tre Norman is making over 500k this season

Assume based on what? Just trying to get some clarification.

[MU82]

yes/no question. if 26/27 replicates 25/26, move on from Shaka?

yes/no

[Viper]

yes/no

the no balls non answer I would expect.

[Elonsmusk]

yes/no question. if 26/27 replicates 25/26, move on from Shaka?

No. The idiocy of 20%ish of Scoop is laughable.

Wonder how Scoop would have reacted if Shaka left Marquette after his 3rd year after getting us two 2 seeds. Scoop would have lost its mind. But we've got clowns like you suggesting after 2 (hypothetically) down years MU should move on?  It's laughable.

[Pakuni]

No. The idiocy of 20%ish of Scoop is laughable.

Wonder how Scoop would have reacted if Shaka left Marquette after his 3rd year after getting us two 2 seeds. Scoop would have lost its mind. But we've got clowns like you suggesting after 2 (hypothetically) down years MU should move on?  It's laughable.

Three down years.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Three down years.

Considering last season a "down year" is ludicrous.

[Mu8891]

Elon - if ... just if ... MU has a 20 loss season this year, and follows that up w / another 20 loss season in 26/27, you would be looking at this:

Empty Fiserv
Donations dried / drying up
Furious fans / alums

And approaching DePaul 2.0.

If that happens... Adios to Shaka.

[Pakuni]

Considering last season a "down year" is ludicrous.

Went 8-9 the second half of the season, with zero wins over KenPom top 40 teams (best win was a two-point squeaker past #43 Xavier).
Got smoked in the BE Tournament, and smoked again by a double-digit seed in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Wins in November are great, and definitely not meaningless, but they crashed out when the games mattered most. Given the talent on the roster, the ability the team showed early in the season and then Shaka's inability to find any answers when things went south, I consider the season a disappointment.

If someone wishes just to look at the record and ignore context, they may come to a different conclusion, but I struggle to see last season as much of a success.

[Zog from Margo]

yes/no question. if 26/27 replicates 25/26, move on from Shaka?

Assuming MU continues on its current course this season, I'd be a bit surprised if MU didn't. This year to date has been an epic collapse. MU has new players arriving next year and has access to the portal. There wouldn't be a good excuse for being this bad again.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Went 8-9 the second half of the season, with zero wins over KenPom top 40 teams (best win was a two-point squeaker past #43 Xavier).
Got smoked in the BE Tournament, and smoked again by a double-digit seed in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Wins in November are great, and definitely not meaningless, but they crashed out when the games mattered most. Given the talent on the roster, the ability the team showed early in the season and then Shaka's inability to find any answers when things went south, I consider the season a disappointment.

If someone wishes just to look at the record and ignore context, they may come to a different conclusion, but I struggle to see last season as much of a success.

I'll look at the season in it's entirety, thanks.

After two straight #2 seeds I have no issue with a 7 seed.

Again, ludicrous, IMO. Agree to disagree.

[WhiteTrash]

Assuming this season continues on its current course this season, I'd be a bit surprised if MU didn't. This year to date has been an epic collapse. MU has new players arriving next year and has access to the portal. There wouldn't be a good excuse for being this bad again.

Unless Shaka doesn't want to make some players upset and get calls from their moms.

[MU82]

the no balls non answer I would expect.

How 'bout this: Only if he loses to RED again!

[Small Orange Soda]

Went 8-9 the second half of the season, with zero wins over KenPom top 40 teams (best win was a two-point squeaker past #43 Xavier).
Got smoked in the BE Tournament, and smoked again by a double-digit seed in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
Wins in November are great, and definitely not meaningless, but they crashed out when the games mattered most. Given the talent on the roster, the ability the team showed early in the season and then Shaka's inability to find any answers when things went south, I consider the season a disappointment.

If someone wishes just to look at the record and ignore context, they may come to a different conclusion, but I struggle to see last season as much of a success.

It gets debated endlessly from all sides, but I think this is another example of not recognizing this program's history.

Last year we definitely faded down the stretch and the no transfer stuff was a clear culprit as well. Shaka needs to adjust, and I've been critical. But if a 7 seed after 9-2-2 were a real issue you should've been teaming up with Ners to blast Wojo from the start of his tenure. The fade and subsequent Hauser transfers ultimately weren't any worse than last year, and that was Wojo's best year.

[panda]

It gets debated endlessly from all sides, but I think this is another example of not recognizing this program's history.

Last year we definitely faded down the stretch and the no transfer stuff was a clear culprit as well. Shaka needs to adjust, and I've been critical. But if a 7 seed after 9-2-2 were a real issue you should've been teaming up with Ners to blast Wojo from the start of his tenure. The fade and subsequent Hauser transfers ultimately weren't any worse than last year, and that was Wojo's best year.

I've said this in other threads. A 7 seed isn't a bad Marquette season by any means. Heck, I would've considered a 7-10 seed for this team a massive success this season.

BUT - looking at the trend, it's impossible and frankly negligent to ignore how bad we were from January on last year and how the issues continue to bleed into this year. Lack of depth, ignoring the portal etc.

For those above reasons, I deem last year......FAILURE

[brewcity77]

yes/no question. if 26/27 replicates 25/26, move on from Shaka?

Yes. Obviously yes. If we didn't, we're DePaul accepting our lot but with a more overpaid coach.

Shaka earned a leash with 4 straight bids and a pair of 2-seeds, but he didn't walk on water. He didn't win a national championship. That is the only thing that gets a lifetime pass from me.

Two years of this would clearly demonstrate he cannot successfully transition to the new roster building paradigm and that 2022-25 was likely a lucky string with some generational players, most of which were transfers or recruited by another coach.

[Viper]

How 'bout this: Only if he loses to RED again!

he will, I mean, that's a lock

[Jay Bee]

I'll look at the season in it's entirety, thanks.

*its

[Viper]

No. The idiocy of 20%ish of Scoop is laughable.

Wonder how Scoop would have reacted if Shaka left Marquette after his 3rd year after getting us two 2 seeds. Scoop would have lost its mind. But we've got clowns like you suggesting after 2 (hypothetically) down years MU should move on?  It's laughable.

you stoned again? Bong,gummies or goin' w/brownies this time? I didn't suggest anything, EMusk. Rather, I asked 82 a question. However, i'll answer my own question...if 26/27 is as 25/26 is going and most likely concludes, launch him. It's not difficult. High major basketball at a basketball-only school cannot afford, literally , this kind of trend. Pakuni correctly mentioned 24/25 trending downward. This year...crapola. Next year too? Thx for 6 seasons. Your buyout check will be mailed. Clown.out