What would make you show Shaka the door in March?

[Ghost of Wojo]

If you guys think the current MU prez is going to fire Shaka... he would have to do something similar to Michigan's former coach...we are stuck.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If you guys think the current MU prez is going to fire Shaka... he would have to do something similar to Michigan's former coach...we are stuck.

Stuck? Only dummies want him fired right now.

[Newsdreams]

Stuck? Only dummies want him fired right now.

Willard

[JTJ3]

If you guys think the current MU prez is going to fire Shaka... he would have to do something similar to Michigan's former coach...we are stuck.

The MU Prez isnt the one making that decision.

[jesmu84]

I don't disagree with the trend in this thread but I think another part of the prpblem is that Shaka has the wrong view of offense in this day and age.  There is no center on this team, just guards and forwards.  Gold looked like a high scool kid compared to the Purdue bigs.  If there is a portal opening for MU next year he has to get a legitimate center, somebody whose legs are bigger than the necks. MU has two seven foot players for next year and together they weigh less than 450 pounds.  That not big, just tall

I'm sorry. Offense in "this day and age" is what, exactly?

You don't think it's 3s and shots at the rim?

[jesmu84]

With freshmen starting and getting more minute, I think there are guys in the roster who will leave of their own accord. Bring in another class and those guys move further down the bench. I think Shaka will go to the portal. I think there will be some staff changes too. This isn't just a bad season. It's an epic collapse of a program.

Shaka and his staff crapped the bed with this roster. I'd wonder if he'd pull a Tony Bennett, but I don't think he'd want his college coaching career to end with this failure of a season. 

Why would they leave if they're going to get paid more next year?

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Willard

He's capable of creating a new account or changing his name?!?

🤯

[onepost]

If Shaka makes no changes and we roll into next season with Alex Egbuonu as the only meaningful add, we'll be worse than we are this season.

I personally believe Shaka is more likely to retire than adjust with meaningful usage in the portal. Nothing in his time here tells me otherwise.

I get he's probably pissed that this isn't the type of coaching he signed up for. But this is today's reality. If he doesn't want to adjust, deal with agents by and large, if he cares more about relationships than winning (see Sean Jones's mom tweeting that we need to stop judging him on wins and losses), if he feels bad kicking Norman, Hamilton, Jones to the curb because he recruited them years ago...then just do us all a favor and retire. Or go coach at a mid-major where you can live the RGV way with no pushback. He's currently stuck in his own vanity project with Marquette supporters left holding the bag.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

If Shaka makes no changes and we roll into next season with Alex Egbuonu as the only meaningful add, we'll be worse than we are this season. Some of you are fine with that, I think it'd be unacceptable.

I personally believe Shaka is more likely to retire than adjust with meaningful usage in the portal. Nothing in his time here tells me otherwise.

I get he's probably pissed that this isn't the type of coaching he signed up for. But this is today's reality. If he doesn't want to adjust, deal with agents by and large, if he cares more about relationships than winning (see Sean Jones's mom tweeting that we need to stop judging him on wins and losses), if he feels bad kicking Norman, Hamilton, Jones to the curb because he recruited them years ago...then just do us all a favor and retire. Or go coach at a mid-major where you can live the RGV way with no pushback. He's currently stuck in his own vanity project with Marquette supporters left holding the bag.

 

[1SE]

252nd in efg. 277th in 3%. Ooof.

[Zog from Margo]

Why would they leave if they're going to get paid more next year?

Because they want to play. For some, money disparity isn't the only factor they consider when picking a job.

[willie warrior]

If Shaka makes no changes and we roll into next season with Alex Egbuonu as the only meaningful add, we'll be worse than we are this season.

I personally believe Shaka is more likely to retire than adjust with meaningful usage in the portal. Nothing in his time here tells me otherwise.

I get he's probably pissed that this isn't the type of coaching he signed up for. But this is today's reality. If he doesn't want to adjust, deal with agents by and large, if he cares more about relationships than winning (see Sean Jones's mom tweeting that we need to stop judging him on wins and losses), if he feels bad kicking Norman, Hamilton, Jones to the curb because he recruited them years ago...then just do us all a favor and retire. Or go coach at a mid-major where you can live the RGV way with no pushback. He's currently stuck in his own vanity project with Marquette supporters left holding the bag.

How dare you suggest that.

[Biggie Clausen]

Because they want to play. For some, money disparity isn't the only factor they consider when picking a job.

If Tre Norman gave a damn about playing time, he would've transferred two years ago.  Without being cut by Shaka, I highly doubt that at this point he will take a massive pay cut to go to a different program in a much lower league next year, where he'll be an average to below average player in that team's rotation.  That's a pretty big hassle for a guy with zero pro prospects who can make six figures by simply taking no action.  And there are about 3-4 other guys on the current roster who fit that mold.

[Pakuni]

Because they want to play. For some, money disparity isn't the only factor they consider when picking a job.

When you're talking about a kid like Tre or Sean or Caedin, the only motivation for transferring would be either 1) financial gain or 2) more minutes that could lead to financial gain down the road, i.e. being noticed by pro scouts.
The reality is, transferring does neither for these guys. There's a chance any of these guys could get paid to play in Asia or a low-level European league, but starting in the Big South or MAAC vs coming off the bench in the Big East isn't likely to move the needle on those prospects either way.

So, your position basically comes down to hoping these kids walk away from guaranteed money - plus their friends, their home for three years, their academic situation, high-end resources, etc. - for the glory of playing more minutes at a small, under-resourced program. Good luck with that.

[Zog from Margo]

When you're talking about a kid like Tre or Sean or Caedin, the only motivation for transferring would be either 1) financial gain or 2) more minutes that could lead to financial gain down the road, i.e. being noticed by pro scouts.
The reality is, transferring does neither for these guys. There's a chance any of these guys could get paid to play in Asia or a low-level European league, but starting in the Big South or MAAC vs coming off the bench in the Big East isn't likely to move the needle on those prospects either way.

So, your position basically comes down to hoping these kids walk away from guaranteed money - plus their friends, their home for three years, their academic situation, high-end resources, etc. - for the glory of playing more minutes at a small, under-resourced program. Good luck with that.

You assume they'd choose their friends for three years over their friends for 18 years and family from home. The enormous paycheck they get from MU seems to be an amount no one knows. It's also assumed that the amount is fixed or ever escalating.  I'm not sure these guys, who've been told how great they are for years, view themselves as practice fodder and willing to essentially say their basketball careers are finished. Besides, for guys worried about life after college who aren't going to be pros, there are plenty of lower level that are as good or better than MU academically.

[WhiteTrash]

When you're talking about a kid like Tre or Sean or Caedin, the only motivation for transferring would be either 1) financial gain or 2) more minutes that could lead to financial gain down the road, i.e. being noticed by pro scouts.
The reality is, transferring does neither for these guys. There's a chance any of these guys could get paid to play in Asia or a low-level European league, but starting in the Big South or MAAC vs coming off the bench in the Big East isn't likely to move the needle on those prospects either way.

So, your position basically comes down to hoping these kids walk away from guaranteed money - plus their friends, their home for three years, their academic situation, high-end resources, etc. - for the glory of playing more minutes at a small, under-resourced program. Good luck with that.

Assuming this is all true, this is material evidence for MU to eventually make a change. Essentially,  Shaka has made a significantly bad strategy decision that can't be easily corrected,  that's the situation that gets leaders replaced across all businesses.

[Pakuni]

Assuming this is all true, this is material evidence for MU to eventually make a change. Essentially,  Shaka has made a significantly bad strategy decision that can't be easily corrected,  that's the situation that gets leaders replaced across all businesses.

Why can't it be easily corrected? I understand pride and egos are involved, but there's nothing preventing Shaka at the end of the year from, shall we say, evolving his philosophy. It would take admitting that his RGV experiment didn't go as hoped, but what's the alternative? Keep losing, and end up coaching in the A-10 for a third of his current salary in 2028?
Fail fast, fail cheap, right?

[brewcity77]

Because they want to play. For some, money disparity isn't the only factor they consider when picking a job.

Does anyone really believe some of these conversations haven't already happened and what we see now is largely a result of those player decisions?

[Mu8891]

One post - Did Sean's mom really tweet that SS should not be judged on wins and loses ?!

[WhiteTrash]

Why can't it be easily corrected? I understand pride and egos are involved, but there's nothing preventing Shaka at the end of the year from, shall we say, evolving his philosophy. It would take admitting that his RGV experiment didn't go as hoped, but what's the alternative? Keep losing, and end up coaching in the A-10 for a third of his current salary in 2028?
Fail fast, fail cheap, right?

I agree. Maybe I'm confusing people's opinions. Some believe MU players have it as good as it gets, and will never leave becase they are promised $, so Shaka has personally created his own prison. Hence, if true, grounds to be terminated.

[HutchwasClutch]

One post - Did Sean's mom really tweet that SS should not be judged on wins and loses ?!

Yes
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1999249196168384688

[Zog from Margo]

Does anyone really believe some of these conversations haven't already happened and what we see now is largely a result of those player decisions?

I'm not sure with whom he'd have had the conversation. Owens was expected to challenge Lowery for a starting spot. Lowery hasn't progressed and Owens has gotten worse. Parham was expected to take a step up but hasn't. Sean Jones was returning from injury and hadn't yet shown that he hadn't improved. Hamilton was a mistake but that goes to expecting him to be a starter. He could become a serviceable backup. He was a project and is only in his second year playing. Norman? There you got me but he's less of a problem if Lowery, Owens, and Parham lived up to expectations. Failing to develop Gold's inside game and leaving the 5 spot to Hamilton and Clark was coaching malpractice.

I have to say watching Purdue switch Smith on to Gold and Gold immediately leaving the lane to the head to the three point line shows that the problem on the team isn't limited to personnel.

[Biggie Clausen]

Yes
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1999249196168384688

I mean, why wouldn't she love Shaka?  Under his watch, her son is being paid very handsomely while seemingly under no pressure to produce actual on-court results.  For guys like Sean, Caedin, and Tre, Shaka is a freaking golden parachute.

[HutchwasClutch]

I mean, why wouldn't she love Shaka?  Under his watch, her son is being paid very handsomely while seemingly under no pressure to produce actual on-court results.  For guys like Sean, Caedin, and Tre, Shaka is a freaking golden parachute.

And they never have to worry being told to pack your bags. 

I get that she's not going to X and rip Shaka and the program.  How about just keeping your mouth shut instead of posting idiocy such as this?

[GoldenEagles03]

That's crazy 🤣🤣

What else are fans supposed to judge a coach on? No offense but I do not really care about the relationships they build if it doesn't lead to wins.