C Hamilton v. Portal addition?

[Jay Bee]

Heldt was terrible

Yeah right. Try telling that to those kids who enjoyed ice cream bc of him.

[hawk]

I expect the boys to get drilled by Wisconsin and Purdue period, full stop.  I was at the Valpo game and I don't think  I've seen a worse display of bascketball than the 1st half of that game in my life which spans 7 decades.  At the same time they found a way to make the end of the game compelling viewing.  There is merit in winning a close,sloppy game like that especialy given the recent history in close games.  I think for the first time this season the boys did sort of get "lost in the fight"  and they pulled it out.  While that moight not be parade worthy it is progress.  No matter what I tnink or anyone on the board thinks or says , this team is the team so you might as well put some lipsticlk on the pig and enjoy that which is ejoyable.  I think the team has some pieces but they are not connected yet.  It might be helpful to consider that the players you are comparing these players to, were not the same players they were as sophamores and juniors.  I'm disposed to cut the boys some slack. 

Suppose Owens leaves at the end of the season, who do you take out of the pportal?  You've got two top forty players coming in next season and certainly James and Stevens will be capable starters next season . the jury is still out on Parham and Hamilton and Clark is still an unknown.  The future look pretty bright to me.  While I find the RGV stuff to be pretty pathetic  and useless I thinke Shaka has changed his attitude in recruiting already by going after players that fit the team's needs instead of recruiting players that fit his style.  I'm hoping for an NIT  bid and a way better next year and I'm more interested in the latter thatn the former.  I don't see any portal action on the horizon and certainly not for an upper classman who will move on

[Zog from Margo]

I'm pretty surprised anyone at the game saw "a lot of progress" from Caedin.


Taking a project is fine. Taking a project who hasn't developed and forcing him into the starting lineup is a problem. Building a roster that requires you to start a project who hasn't developed is also a problem. And finally, handing out limited resources to players whose upside is "decent backup" 4-5 years down the road is a problem.

I'm surprised you cannot see how much Hamilton has progressed since first arriving at MU. He's not a good player but he's a lot better than he was. Contrast that with Owens who has regressed and Parham and Lowery who are not playing any better than they did a year ago. Did you see Norman's 3 attempt last night? I actually laughed.

I'm sure you and others want Shaka to run Hamilton and Clark after the season. Look on the bright side. Maybe he will.

[BCHoopster]

So let's say they go 10-21, lose there best player, and you think you should not add a wing or a center?  Sheek is a skinny big that was not an offensive player on his team, will help for sure, but not sure he will be able to handle the physicality.  Militic and Phillips, might be good in due time but not sure neither will pan out.  You can go with James, Stevens and Zaide, but he is a complimentary player that's never been a star on any team.  Will not happen next year. Need a solid 10-15 point player.

[Jay Bee]

So let's say they go 10-21, lose there best player, and you think you should not add a wing or a center?  Sheek is a skinny big that was not an offensive player on his team, will help for sure, but not sure he will be able to handle the physicality.  Militic and Phillips, might be good in due time but not sure neither will pan out.  You can go with James, Stevens and Zaide, but he is a complimentary player that's never been a star on any team.  Will not happen next year. Need a solid 10-15 point player.

their vs. there, Miletic vs. Militic, complementary vs. complimentary, etc.

Please make it stop.

[BCHoopster]

Guess I better go back to school, not sure I will ever get the right words right, maybe it matters to you but I could care less, you can stop now!

[Captain Quette]

One question I have is, after our poor late season performance last year and Kam leaving....Shaka looks at the roster aka crap pile, that is coming back and thinks....oh, we will be fine next year, we will develop over the Summer, etc.

Don't the coaches discuss the roster strength and weaknesses.

How does shaka think we had a prayer of being good this year?

Ok, 2 questions. Shaka needs to have his brain activity measured.

[hawk]

O Captain my Captian,  I am sure that they do.  I can't speak for the staff but my guess is that they liked the incoming class especially James and Stevens.  I assume they anticipated a 10 man rotation lead by Gold, who as a senior would surely become a leader  be something like a 14 and 7 type player.  They guessed right with Ross.  They probably thougjt that Jones would stay healthy and play himself into shape.  If everybody coming back got just a little better the team would be up to the task of getting into the NCAA again and be ready to explode the next season.  I have no bones to pick with Shaka but I would given Wojo one more season.  His last year was his best coaching year in my opinion.  Post Howard he had a team that he needed to coach and not lean on talent.  I was put off by the vile anger that came with his dismissal.  Now you are disenchanted the the savior you all begged to hire.  I would ask that you consider this,  If Justin Lewis doesn't get hurt and miss 6 games in the middle of the conference season MU gets a bid and Wojo stays.  If Shaka doesn't lose a 3/14 matchup in the 1st round he doesn't get fired.  So you moved some chairs around and now you don't like the way it looks, how long until you demand a new hero?

[Johnny B]

Shaka wasn't fired but the seat was hot after that for sure

[Captain Quette]

Hawk - carpe diem and great thoughts on what the coaching might have been thinking. But almost a totally wrong analysis by the staff nonetheless. They were way off on this roster.

As to wojo, I was unhappy with him, especially his technical coaching skills but was OK giving him 1 more year. He was a good recruiter and had some good teams and never hit rock bottom like this.

Worst mu teams I can remember:
1. This year by far
2. Buzz last year
3. 1991, KOs 2nd year

[Galway Eagle]

Worst mu teams I can remember:
1. This year by far
2. Buzz last year
3. 1991, KOs 2nd year

This is ridiculous. Buzz's last year was still a bubble team with a bit to go two of Wojo's were trash

O Captain my Captian,  I am sure that they do.  I can't speak for the staff but my guess is that they liked the incoming class especially James and Stevens.  I assume they anticipated a 10 man rotation lead by Gold, who as a senior would surely become a leader  be something like a 14 and 7 type player.  They guessed right with Ross.  They probably thougjt that Jones would stay healthy and play himself into shape.  If everybody coming back got just a little better the team would be up to the task of getting into the NCAA again and be ready to explode the next season.  I have no bones to pick with Shaka but I would given Wojo one more season.  His last year was his best coaching year in my opinion.  Post Howard he had a team that he needed to coach and not lean on talent.  I was put off by the vile anger that came with his dismissal.  Now you are disenchanted the the savior you all begged to hire.  I would ask that you consider this,  If Justin Lewis doesn't get hurt and miss 6 games in the middle of the conference season MU gets a bid and Wojo stays.  If Shaka doesn't lose a 3/14 matchup in the 1st round he doesn't get fired.  So you moved some chairs around and now you don't like the way it looks, how long until you demand a new hero?

Wojo was not a good coach. Did he deserve to get axed? Arguable, pending what standard you have for MUBB but I think it's fair to say that he was given ample time to prove himself and his highlight year ended in the most epic collapse of MUBB.

But when Justin got hurt we were .500 that team wasn't making the tournament if he was around. Additionally, most looks run were for carton Koby or Garcia so I think that's an excuse for a bad team that every metric showed was in fact a bad team.

As far as how long? Two years, Shaka is entitled to a down year maybe two. I'm off the boat after two unless he tries something huge to switch things up.