[Paint Touches] On talent deficiency and offensive offense

[PaintTouches]

I don't think you need detailed stat breakdowns to see what's wrong with the team this season, but if you wanted some to validate your eye test, boy are there plenty to choose from in here.

LINK HERE

[The Sultan]

Boy oh boy is that a sobering article. It just shows why people are so down on this team and why the future doesn't look all that bright in the near term as well.

[BE_GoldenEagle]

Just popped in to say that it is worse than we probably all even thought.

NET Rankings dropped this morning and we are 167 !!!!!

https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/1995497335636590879?t=SA7qHmilrVXEhJZ1qvrHcQ&s=19

[WellsstreetWanderer]

If MU is dropping 6 large on NIL can't say we are getting our money's worth

[WellsstreetWanderer]

How do stats like these affect recruiting and retention? Curious what our more knowledgeable contributors think

[Billy Hoyle]

Not great, Bob:

https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1995507484195488145

[willie warrior]

Just popped in to say that it is worse than we probably all even thought.

NET Rankings dropped this morning and we are 167 !!!!!

https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/1995497335636590879?t=SA7qHmilrVXEhJZ1qvrHcQ&s=19

The gap is widening and crickets from Reeker

[Shooter McGavin]

Unfortunately this was the concern before the season started because of last years fall off and the reserves not playing well enough.  Kam's on off splits were ridiculous last year. 

But, "Shaka develops players". People repeatedly said over the summer he'd get the same development out of the current players that he got out of Lewis, Kolek, Oso, Kam, Omax, Stevie, and Jop.  But the fact of the matter is the eye tests and metrics said differently.  The talent was not there.  Shaka, had a crap ton of talent on that first roster.  That's why his development model worked.  Whether that is hindsight or not it's the truth.  He got really lucky with that first round of talent.  Some of it fell in his lap.  Some he got through two transfers.

But," we are taller and more athletic than we have ever been".  That does not matter if you are not skilled. 

TRGV. The T must come first.  Good coaching can only do so much. 

Shaka needs to develop what we have but this will be a long rebuild if the guys sitting on the bench and the incoming freshman are not the real deal.

[CountryRoads]

Great article. Seems clear we don't have the personnel to play the style of ball Shaka wants. If we don't have the means to up the talent, then should at least change the scheme.

[Pakuni]

In your face, DePaul!

[MUbiz]

That article is very grim. And does not give me hope for next year if we do not get 2-3 portal guys - and its very unlikely we get any portal guys.

[onepost]

Great article. Seems clear we don't have the personnel to play the style of ball Shaka wants. If we don't have the means to up the talent, then should at least change the scheme.

But. We. Do. We have the means to up the talent, we just have a coach who refuses to utilize those means to the fullest extent. Hence the frustration.

[Jay Bee]

Pfft. How many other teams can say they have a guy who made 10,000 hook shots during the offseason? We the best.

[Jockey]

Just popped in to say that it is worse than we probably all even thought.

NET Rankings dropped this morning and we are 167 !!!!!

https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/1995497335636590879?t=SA7qHmilrVXEhJZ1qvrHcQ&s=19

I am newly encouraged that we can get at least 1 win versus Depaul.

[Mu8891]

Come on ...
Knock it off !  U guys are practicing
" resulting " which Shaka said we should not do.

I suggest all u Debbie Downers go buy RGV wear for your entire families as a penance. 

[Galway Eagle]

Come on ...
Knock it off !  U guys are practicing
" resulting " which Shaka said we should not do.

I suggest all u Debbie Downers go buy RGV wear for your entire families as a penance. 

Was this a recent quote?

[panda]

This is one of the sorriest basketball teams I've ever seen. I overlooked Wojo's first year as growing pains but Shaka put this team together with his own brand five years into the job. Pathetic

[MUbiz]

Was this a recent quote?

Shaka was talking about "resulting" in the Dayton post game presser.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Sobering article. Analytics totally match the eye test.

[MU82]

But, "Shaka develops players". People repeatedly said over the summer he'd get the same development out of the current players that he got out of Lewis, Kolek, Oso, Kam, Omax, Stevie, and Jop.

I can't speak for other "people," but I said only that Shaka had a history of developing players, so I was hopeful that we would see significant improvement from the likes of Lowery, Owens, Parham and Hamilton. I think the first part of my statement was absolutely true. And as an optimistic fan, I don't think it was crazy-talk to have realistic hope for the second part of the equation.

Unfortunately, the significant improvement hasn't happened, and there arguably has been regression for a couple of them.

[K1 Lover]

I can't speak for other "people," but I said only that Shaka had a history of developing players, so I was hopeful that we would see significant improvement from the likes of Lowery, Owens, Parham and Hamilton. I think the first part of my statement was absolutely true. And as an optimistic fan, I don't think it was crazy-talk to have realistic hope for the second part of the equation.

Unfortunately, the significant improvement hasn't happened, and there arguably has been regression for a couple of them.

It's been said on here before, but there's also the real possibility that guys like Kolek, Oso, and Kam caused Shaka to overestimate how well he and staff can develop players. It's one thing to develop guys who show they can be studs down the road (i.e., Nigel), and another to develop guys who first picked up a basketball in high school. It doesn't take an expert to know that, with the latter, you're choosing a longer growth journey for a product with a lower ceiling.

As corny as the RGV marketing is, I think it's still a good model on paper. Shaka just needs to realize that when it comes to the R, the emphasis shouldn't be on relationships. It should be on recruitment.

[GoldenEagles03]

According to TRank 61 of our 69 made 3s this season are assisted.

Almost 90% of made 3s being assisted seems like it isn't normal. We have no offensive creation. Just a very sad roster.