MU 2026-27 - Not too early

[nyg]

I would absolutely agree. I'd probably keep Royce and Zaide in addition to the original list. Not sure what's happening with Owens but he surely is in Coach Shaka's Doghouse. I'd probably take a flyer on him (maybe even redshirt this year) and hope for the best next year.

Redshirt???  I don't think you can redshirt a player after 25% of the teams games have been played. 

Look, Owens is one of Shaka's highest ranked recruits, being a Top 75. He is now at end of bench and starting to lose his minutes to freshman Phillips.  If this trend continues throughout the season, I would be completely shocked if he stays at MU.  There would be many suitors for him.  Maybe in the next few weeks, he gets to see the floor and a reversal starts, but I think it's too late.  One of the most mysterious players in Shaka tenure. 

[HutchwasClutch]

This is what scares me:

Where are the eight wins in BE play coming from?

We don't have shooting. We don't have defense.  We don't have experience.  And we clearly don't have a go-to guy in late situations when we are tied.

And we have also been limited in injuries this season so far.  If Ross gets injured?  Or James? 

There is definitely a pathway where this is the worst MUBB season in a very long time.

Yes, agree.  I was being charitable giving them 8 conference wins.

[The Sultan]

I would absolutely agree. I'd probably keep Royce and Zaide in addition to the original list. Not sure what's happening with Owens but he surely is in Coach Shaka's Doghouse. I'd probably take a flyer on him (maybe even redshirt this year) and hope for the best next year.

Owens can't redshirt now.

[Jay Bee]

Redshirt???  I don't think you can redshirt a player after 25% of the teams games have been played. 

Redshirt = you cannot play a single second.

[brewcity77]

Owens can't redshirt now.

I don't believe this is accurate. He would need a valid reason, such as injury, but he was a DNP yesterday. He's only appeared in 7 games. If they can provide a medical rationale and he doesn't play again, he would fall under the 25% threshold.

[DoctorV]

I don't believe this is accurate. He would need a valid reason, such as injury, but he was a DNP yesterday. He's only appeared in 7 games. If they can provide a medical rationale and he doesn't play again, he would fall under the 25% threshold.

Does coach being butthurt he isn't trying hard enough at practice qualify under plausible medical rationale?

No idea if that's the case, just wondering

[The Sultan]

Does coach being butthurt he isn't trying hard enough at practice qualify under plausible medical rationale?

No idea if that's the case, just wondering

Butthurt? Wierd word to use here.

[HutchwasClutch]

A major red flag your program and roster has not been managed well when you're debating post Thanksgiving redshirts so next season isn't awful too. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Butthurt? Wierd word to use here.

Weird

[nyg]

I don't believe this is accurate. He would need a valid reason, such as injury, but he was a DNP yesterday. He's only appeared in 7 games. If they can provide a medical rationale and he doesn't play again, he would fall under the 25% threshold.

That's what I thought, but was unsure.  I don't see it happening and we will have to see if he gets his playing time opportunities in next few weeks.  If Phillips comes in before him, not a good sign. I hope he gets his opportunity.

Ha, watch he will go home to Buffalo or St Bonaventure and go for 20ppg. He is not an Al Amadou. 

[Jay Bee]

Butthurt? Wierd word to use here.

Weird way to spell weird.

[Jay Bee]

I don't believe this is accurate. He would need a valid reason, such as injury, but he was a DNP yesterday. He's only appeared in 7 games. If they can provide a medical rationale and he doesn't play again, he would fall under the 25% threshold.

Are you guys just trolling me now? C'mon. There is no 25% threshold.

You're referring to a hardship WAIVER (not a redshirt, but sometimes called medical redshirt by dumba$$es). However, there is no 25% threshold there either. There IS a first half of the year, and less than 30% (as defined - see calc in D-I Manual)... but it requires you be incapable of playing, per medical folks. So, sure, if he has a season ending injury that renders him unavailable to play for the remainder of the entire season (even though it's kind of over already tbh), then could be a good candidate for a medical hardship waiver.

There are no indications he has some season-ending injury though, so not sure wth we're talking about here. He can't redshirt this year - he's already played.

[nyg]

Are you guys just trolling me now? C'mon. There is no 25% threshold.

You're referring to a hardship WAIVER (not a redshirt, but sometimes called medical redshirt by dumba$$es). However, there is no 25% threshold there either. There IS a first half of the year, and less than 30% (as defined - see calc in D-I Manual)... but it requires you be incapable of playing, per medical folks. So, sure, if he has a season ending injury that renders him unavailable to play for the remainder of the entire season (even though it's kind of over already tbh), then could be a good candidate for a medical hardship waiver.

There are no indications he has some season-ending injury though, so not sure wth we're talking about here. He can't redshirt this year - he's already played.

Thanks, the other poster said redshirt him. All you had to say was last sentence.

[Johnny B]

The thread about what to do when Jones returns...if he gets his starting job back over Nigel and/or takes away say 10 or more minutes from what Nigel's been getting with him out, I'd be out if I were Nigel.  He could go anywhere he wants in the country and not play behind or share minutes with a clearly inferior player.

Kind of worried other teams trying to poach him away. What happens when k state offers 900k to the kid?

[Jay Bee]

Kind of worried other teams trying to poach him away. What happens when k state offers 900k to the kid?

Relationships are invaluable, bro.

[Johnny B]

That's what I thought, but was unsure.  I don't see it happening and we will have to see if he gets his playing time opportunities in next few weeks.  If Phillips comes in before him, not a good sign. I hope he gets his opportunity.

Ha, watch he will go home to Buffalo or St Bonaventure and go for 20ppg. He is not an Al Amadou.

Not that'd make a difference but I'd rather have amadou out there than Hamilton

[panda]

Not that'd make a difference but I'd rather have amadou out there than Hamilton

I'd rather have sultan out there than Hamilton

[Jay Bee]

At some point, we may want to consider just putting 4 guys out on the floor, aina? Might throw off the other team.

[Viper]

Possibly the all-time silliest post on Scoop.  Ever.

how so?

[The Sultan]

I'd rather have sultan out there than Hamilton

I'm more of a stretch 4.

[dgies9156]

Owens can't redshirt now.

Fair enough. He's played so little I thought, maybe!

[panda]

I'm more of a stretch 4.

You're in luck - we need that too lol

[Shooter McGavin]

Feel like Royce has shown some life lately. Still like his potential as an upperclassman.

Ben has been extremely disappointing the last couple of games, and just from a shooting perspective. Literally jogged back on defense yesterday and a big beat him down the court for a layup. Should never happen. Needed so much more from him this season.

Agree wholeheartedly on Ben.  He needed to make  the leap to alpha or at least a steady beta.  He is neither so far.  His defense has been fine but he looks offensively bankrupt right now.  He should have been a pressure release for this team by hitting a good percentage of his open threes and his layups as a senior. But with every wide open miss he adds to the pressure.  He adds to the burden of winning.  Chase needs to get in his face and have a come to Jesus talk.  His offense has been crippling the team.

[Galway Eagle]

I had such high hopes Ben would turn into our kaminsky or happ

[We R Final Four]

I had such high hopes Ben would turn into our kaminsky or happ

Wasn't Kaminsky POY?
You are right...those were high hopes.