What does this team do well?

[wadesworld]

The problem is when everyone defending him, like yourself, point out back to back 2 seeds they're talking about a program built differently than the one he's built now.

His first round draft pick was a transfer. His All American PG was a transfer. I'm not someone who thinks he needs to go portaling every year, but you don't get to brag about how he's doing it the right way when this is his first year actually doing that (you can call last year that too, but they fell apart last year). The results are terrible thus far.

Shaka's done it a lot of ways in his coaching career. It's why I think he'll adjust and continue to be a high level coach.

[BM1090]

This team is alarmingly bad. Without Ross, we would have multiple losses to cupcakes. Much different than shaka's first team/second team.

I don't agree, but even if I did it has nothing to do what I said. I'm not saying we're going to compete for the Big East next year. We're not. But I don't think it's hard to see how this team improves a lot next year either.

[Small Orange Soda]

Shaka's done it a lot of ways in his coaching career. It's why I think he'll adjust and continue to be a high level coach.

I certainly hope so. Going into this season with Caedin Hamilton as the starting center has got me having doubts.

[panda]

I don't agree, but even if I did it has nothing to do what I said. I'm not saying we're going to compete for the Big East next year. We're not. But I don't think it's hard to see how this team improves a lot next year either.

Really going out on a limb saying it can't get any worse than this year!

There is no reason a Marquette team in the 5th year of a coaches successful tenure should be this horrible. So many mistakes had to happen to reach this point and much of it is highly concerning for the future if no philosophical changes are made.

[BM1090]

The problem is when everyone defending him, like yourself, point out back to back 2 seeds they're talking about a program built differently than the one he's built now.

His first round draft pick was a transfer. His All American PG was a transfer. I'm not someone who thinks he needs to go portaling every year, but you don't get to brag about how he's doing it the right way when this is his first year actually doing that (you can call last year that too, but they fell apart last year). The results are terrible thus far.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves in this debate. Who cares they they were transfers? Those transfers played like normal college freshmen and sophomores their first year. Nobody projected them to improve like they did. Some wanted them to transfer out.

It doesn't matter if he takes transfers. It matters that his talent identification improves. This year's freshman class looks a lot better than the last two. That needs to continue. If it does, we'll be fine. If it doesn't, then I'll have concerns about Shaka. But it has nothing to do with if he's willing to take a transfer or two.

[BM1090]

Really going out on a limb saying it can't get any worse than this year!

Very clear you're not interested in an actual discussion. Peace.

[panda]

Very clear you're not interested in an actual discussion. Peace.

See my edit

[Small Orange Soda]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves in this debate. Who cares they they were transfers? Those transfers played like normal college freshmen and sophomores their first year. Nobody projected them to improve like they did. Some wanted them to transfer out.

It doesn't matter if he takes transfers. It matters that his talent identification improves. This year's freshman class looks a lot better than the last two. That needs to continue. If it does, we'll be fine. If it doesn't, then I'll have concerns about Shaka. But it has nothing to do with if he's willing to take a transfer or two.

I agree with what you're saying about transfers. It's about talent identification.

But so much of the identity has been about no transfers, and well, the biggest success has been with transfers.

But we gotta stop looking into guys who we're in recruiting battles with prep schools for. That's bad.

[Johnny B]

I don't agree, but even if I did it has nothing to do what I said. I'm not saying we're going to compete for the Big East next year. We're not. But I don't think it's hard to see how this team improves a lot next year either.

It's very hard to see

[KingKolek]

Your first point is your own strawman, though. None of us would be opposed to that. Most of us would welcome it.

And re: your second point, I think we'd all agree that the recruiting needs to get better.

I've heard Shaka himself get dismissive and act like we want him to go completely the other way, as well as from at least some avid supporters. I agree though, most thoughtful fans see the middle ground.

[Jay Bee]

I certainly hope so. Going into this season with Caedin Hamilton as the starting center has got me having doubts.

Going into yesterday's game with him still as the starting center has got me having even stronger doubts.

[panda]

Going into yesterday's game with him still as the starting center has got me having even stronger doubts.

He's averaging almost 20 mins/game! I wonder what blackmail he has on Shaka