Chip a wa-y to win

[Uncle Rico]

Holloway just took down N.C.State,ranked 23rd, with a crew of transfers who could shoot.
Seemed to me that everyone on the court came from somewhere.  Some even at their third school.

No need to debate, the numbers will reveal the new reality. The Hall looks like no.3 in the beast.

How did Holloway do it????

I'll take this bet. 

Seton Hall's real shooting % is 236th in the nation, including today.  They're 195th in 3 point shooting.  They're 255th in 2 point shooting.

Going back to St. Peter's, his best 3 point shooting team was 111th.  His best offense has been 70th in KenPom.

His highest usage guy currently, shot 29% from 3 last year at Merrimack.  Elijah Fisher shot 31% from 3 at Pacific.  Their current best 3 point shooter shot 26% from 3 at Elon last year.  AJ Staton-McCrary shot 41% from 3 at Samford 2 years ago, went to Miami and shot 31% against better competition. They also added Mike Williams who shot 37% from 3 2 years ago and plummeted to 25% last year.

[Shooter McGavin]

There will be plenty of teams with transfers that will finish in last place in multiple conferences. 

It will be pointed out in a sarcastic way that because of this the portal is not a panacea.  And there will be inside jokes and laughter.

But, what goes unspoken, is that it is always about player evaluation for fit and talent.  These people know this but will continue the jokes about bad teams with portal players.

Whether you recruit only freshman or only portal players the same evaluation for fit and talent applies. 

Closing the door on a major way of player procurement seems unnecessarily burdensome to logical people.  Perhaps they are the ones that should be snickering and not the other way around.

The facts are our coach doesn't want to use the portal.  So we all have to accept if for now.  But making fun of portal use on other teams, good or bad, is silly. 

[Scoop Snoop]

Holloway just took down N.C.State,ranked 23rd, with a crew of transfers who could shoot.
Seemed to me that everyone on the court came from somewhere.  Some even at their third school.

No need to debate, the numbers will reveal the new reality. The Hall looks like no.3 in the beast.

How did Holloway do it????

Very impressive win, but my Gawd you are assuming a lot! Did Seton Hall's upsets of UCONN last season immediately make them a highly ranked team or earn an invite to the Big Dance?

Your "no need to debate" is classic Muggsyian absolutism. 

Could Seton Hall be the biggest surprise in The BE this year? Sure. But this one game conclusion that there is no need to debate is ridiculous.

[Newsdreams]

There will be plenty of teams with transfers that will finish in last place in multiple conferences. 

It will be pointed out in a sarcastic way that because of this the portal is not a panacea.  And there will be inside jokes and laughter.

But, what goes unspoken, is that it is always about player evaluation for fit and talent.  These people know this but will continue the jokes about bad teams with portal players.

Whether you recruit only freshman or only portal players the same evaluation for fit and talent applies. 

Closing the door on a major way of player procurement seems unnecessarily burdensome to logical people.  Perhaps they are the ones that should be snickering and not the other way around.

The facts are our coach doesn't want to use the portal.  So we all have to accept if for now.  But making fun of portal use on other teams, good or bad, is silly.

Not an absolute

[Shooter McGavin]

For now.  But agreed not an absolute

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Well, he did. God, you're such a baby. And yes, he re-recruited him.

And sure, I'll give him all the credit for developing him. The larger point is he hasn't recruited anyone near his skill level since.

When you inherit something, it's yours.  Having to re-recruit someone is not equivalent to inheriting a player.  A high percentage of players leave when there is a coaching change. 

I'm not a baby, you were just wrong. 

[MU82]

Holloway just took down N.C.State,ranked 23rd, with a crew of transfers who could shoot.
Seemed to me that everyone on the court came from somewhere.  Some even at their third school.

No need to debate, the numbers will reveal the new reality. The Hall looks like no.3 in the beast.

How did Holloway do it????

I'm 100% certain that you haven't seen enough of either Seton Hall or the other 10 Big East teams to know what you're talking about here.

[milwaukee expat]

I didn't see that he responded to you.

That said, I do think Shaka made a mistake taking a flier on a developmental guy, again, when he could have used it to bring in a proven commodity big man who would have filled a giant hole last season and/or this season, instead of a possible Youssoupha Mbao who was unlikely to contribute for multiple seasons and wouldn't be able to help one of the best all around players we've had since Wade left.

This to me is the heart of the matter.  I'm with Shaka - it seems to me where he is going to get us to is where Hamilton and Clark are 5th year seniors, old big experienced and skilled.  He has a track record of developing bigs.  They will be far better imho at that point than any transfers. With 15 scholarships, redshirting liberally, we are going eventually be old, and have a sustainable NIL situation - no small feat for non blue blood.  Now does that mean he didn't quite get it right roster wise this season or last?  Maybe.  I am a deep kool-aid drinker and I love this team as it is.  Hamilton I think is going to be fine - we are watching the painful growing pains as he gets his on court experience but he passes my eye test for athleticism and skills and attitude - I bet he develops into a reliable BE center this year.  My main criticism for Shaka would be that some aspect of the culture and coaching is having these guys play really tight.  Its undeniable - we are missing open layups and 3s.  The scheme is getting the looks and the players are missing good shots.  That's why (ducks as bottles and pans fly my way) I would like to see more makeable (that is open) midrange shots so that our shooters can get into a rhythm, so that we have an offense with more variance that allows better flow.

[panda]

This to me is the heart of the matter.  I'm with Shaka - it seems to me where he is going to get us to is where Hamilton and Clark are 5th year seniors, old big experienced and skilled.  He has a track record of developing bigs.  They will be far better imho at that point than any transfers. With 15 scholarships, redshirting liberally, we are going eventually be old, and have a sustainable NIL situation - no small feat for non blue blood.  Now does that mean he didn't quite get it right roster wise this season or last?  Maybe.  I am a deep kool-aid drinker and I love this team as it is.  Hamilton I think is going to be fine - we are watching the painful growing pains as he gets his on court experience but he passes my eye test for athleticism and skills and attitude - I bet he develops into a reliable BE center this year.  My main criticism for Shaka would be that some aspect of the culture and coaching is having these guys play really tight.  Its undeniable - we are missing open layups and 3s.  The scheme is getting the looks and the players are missing good shots.  That's why (ducks as bottles and pans fly my way) I would like to see more makeable (that is open) midrange shots so that our shooters can get into a rhythm, so that we have an offense with more variance that allows better flow.

Live look at Expat's eye test

[Viper]

When you inherit something, it's yours.  Having to re-recruit someone is not equivalent to inheriting a player.  A high percentage of players leave when there is a coaching change. 

I'm not a baby, you were just wrong.

more players stay than leave when there's a coaching change. Yes, some do leave. BUT, keeping a player in the program is easier than bringing a player in to the program. Did Shaka re-recruit? I suppose. But the player was already here. There was a degree of comfort level already in place with the school and teammates.

[Newsdreams]

more players stay than leave when there's a coaching change. Yes, some do leave. BUT, keeping a player in the program is easier than bringing a player in to the program. Did Shaka re-recruit? I suppose. But the player was already here. There was a degree of comfort level already in place with the school and teammates.

#wrong

[Vander Blue Man Group]

more players stay than leave when there's a coaching change. Yes, some do leave. BUT, keeping a player in the program is easier than bringing a player in to the program. Did Shaka re-recruit? I suppose. But the player was already here. There was a degree of comfort level already in place with the school and teammates.

1) Do you have actual retention stats, pre and post-portal?

2) I suppose?     Shaka absolutely re-recruited and both he and the players have said as much multiple times.

3) Players choose a coach, not a school.

4) To say there was such a degree of comfort for Kam and Stevie with the school and teammates as incoming freshman who had never taken a class or practiced with the team, is laughable.

You're on a roll tonight.