Shaka’s mess

[panda]

Dude - Marquette isn't a Top 10 program, especially now in the era of pay for play players. 

Shaka came into a train wreck and delivered great results.  We hit a speed bump this year, and spoiled Scoopers were turning into toddlers 3 games into Season 5.

How did he turn around the program so quickly?

[brewcity77]

What part of Sweet 16, two NCAA Tournament 2 seeds, 4 out of 4 seasons in the NCAA, a Big East Regular and Conference Tournament title didn't you understand?  Not to mention he's been to a Final Four.

What does any of that have to do with what's on the court right now? This is not working. When is the last time we were out of at-large consideration before Thanksgiving?

Shaka has had some great moments, but the red flags right now are the same types of signs you saw early on with Wojo, but you're choosing not to see it.

We all want this to work, but it isn't.

[Elonsmusk]

How did he turn around the program so quickly?

You didn't have to pay $1M to retain (or attract) players like Kolek and Kam in 2021-2022.  Market shifted rapidly.  We are a small, private school with alumni size (access of money) of roughly 20% of the Power 4 conference schools.

Do you think Duke was able to pay Kon more than MU?  Not to mention MU doesn't hold a candle to Duke as a basketball school.

[Pakuni]

Dude - Marquette isn't a Top 10 program, especially now in the era of pay for play players. 

Shaka came into a train wreck and delivered great results.  We hit a speed bump this year, and spoiled Scoopers were turning into toddlers 3 games into Season 5.

Dude - making one Sweet 16 every five years doesn't mean you're a top 10 program. It means you're on par with Xavier or Texas A&M.

The funny thing is you're not even disagreeing with any of the criticism. You're just mad that anyone dares to speak it.

[IL Warrior]

Dude - Marquette isn't a Top 10 program, especially now in the era of pay for play players. 

Shaka came into a train wreck and delivered great results.  We hit a speed bump this year, and spoiled Scoopers were turning into toddlers 3 games into Season 5.

We have played 3 non-cupcake games. Lost all of them. Looked bad in all of them. The Marquette team I have been watching won't beat Oklahoma. They won't beat Wisconsin. They won't beat Purdue. That makes a 5-6 non-con.

In conference play, 6-14 feels reasonable. That's a 20-loss season. You know the last time Marquette lost 20 games in a season? 1964. I think it's reasonable for fans to be frustrated that the coach is married to a roster-building strategy that he has proven incapable of executing successfully.

It's early. Maybe we turn it around. I hope we do. I just haven't seen anything to support that.

[Biggie Clausen]

In the RGV system, if players are being told they won't be recruited over, what is the incentive for them to get better, outside of their post-college professional career prospects?  In the real world, if someone isn't performing at their job, they'll be shown the door.  This whole philosophy of "we will stick by you no matter what" isn't the way the real world (or big-time college and pro sports) works and treating the players in this way is actually doing them a disservice.

[JTJ3]

We didnt pay that to recruit Kolek and Kam here, but we sure did pay that to retain them for their last couple of years.

The program has the money, especially with the new rev share rules.  Who it's being spent on, if at all, great question.

[The Sultan]

You didn't have to pay $1M to retain (or attract) players like Kolek and Kam in 2021-2022.  Market shifted rapidly.  We are a small, private school with alumni size (access of money) of roughly 20% of the Power 4 conference schools.

Do you think Duke was able to pay Kon more than MU?  Not to mention MU doesn't hold a candle to Duke as a basketball school.

Ah. So now we're crying poor.

[Elonsmusk]

What does any of that have to do with what's on the court right now? This is not working. When is the last time we were out of at-large consideration before Thanksgiving?

Shaka has had some great moments, but the red flags right now are the same types of signs you saw early on with Wojo, but you're choosing not to see it.

We all want this to work, but it isn't.

Shaka is infinitely more capable and bright than Wojo.  He will get it turned around.  As ugly as the start to this season has been, I still think the team will show improvement going forward.

I also think another year of experience and lineup next year of Nigel, Adrien, Zaide, Royce, Sheek/Clark/Hamilton with some great shooters off the bench in Phillips, Walker, Ian - and a physical guard like Egbouno is a roster I can get excited about.

[Elonsmusk]

We didnt pay that to recruit Kolek and Kam here, but we sure did pay that to retain them for their last couple of years.

The program has the money, especially with the new rev share rules.  Who it's being spent on, if at all, great question.

Correct, this was the point. You tie up $1M to retain guys like Kam and Kolek - you think there's another $1M bag at a school like MU (the last few years) to drop for an impact big man?  While also trying to retain guys like Chase Ross, Stevie, Royce, etc?

[panda]

You didn't have to pay $1M to retain (or attract) players like Kolek and Kam in 2021-2022.  Market shifted rapidly.  We are a small, private school with alumni size (access of money) of roughly 20% of the Power 4 conference schools.

Do you think Duke was able to pay Kon more than MU?  Not to mention MU doesn't hold a candle to Duke as a basketball school.

We lose to duke on the recruiting trail before nil is in place and while nil is in place 98% of the time.

The idea you need to pay huge money in the portal is simply not true. How much is butler paying for a guy like Ajayi? How much is providence paying for a guy like Jason Edwards. It ain't even $500k.

[#UnleashNigel]

Ah. So now we're crying poor.

The refusal to hit the transfer portal, the RGV nonstop stuff, building a lasting program of 4 year players etc.

All of that could be a smokescreen for "we cant compete in the free agency"

[79Warrior]

We didnt pay that to recruit Kolek and Kam here, but we sure did pay that to retain them for their last couple of years.

The program has the money, especially with the new rev share rules.  Who it's being spent on, if at all, great question.

MU is not flush with money. The revenue share only works if you have the revenue. What we get from BE and TV deals for the most part supports the entire Athletic department. Universities the are active in the portal have large donors dropping some serious money into the pot. For example, SJU has one billionaire dropping big money.

Send in some checks to the Excellence Fund.

[panda]

The refusal to hit the transfer portal, the RGV nonstop stuff, building a lasting program of 4 year players etc.

All of that could be a smokescreen for "we cant compete in the free agency"

Donors privately bought out wojo's contract on short notice. The money is there. Ignoring the portal is purely a Shaka choice

[GB Warrior]

Got the annual company matching email for MU donations this AM. Looking into terms and conditions

[Elonsmusk]

Dude - making one Sweet 16 every five years doesn't mean you're a top 10 program. It means you're on par with Xavier or Texas A&M.

The funny thing is you're not even disagreeing with any of the criticism. You're just mad that anyone dares to speak it.

There hasn't been a coach who could do much better at MU in 5 years since Al, than what Shaka has done - except Buzz.  And of course the self righteous Scoopers couldn't handle that there were some off court incidents with Buzz's players. Not to mention, prior to Shaka there wasn't an easy way/above board way to pay for players at all schools - so Shaka faces a landscape at MU that none of his predecessors had to navigate.

You guys can criticize away - knock yourselves out.  You just look like spoiled toddlers in the process.  At the first sign of adversity in 5 years many Scoopers are throwing in the towel on this team and coach - that to me is a shitty fanbase.

[panda]

There hasn't been a coach who could do much better at MU in 5 years since Al, than what Shaka has done - except Buzz.  And of course the self righteous Scoopers couldn't handle that there were some off court incidents with Buzz's players. Not to mention, prior to Shaka there wasn't an easy way/above board way to pay for players at all schools - so Shaka faces a landscape at MU that none of his predecessors had to navigate.

You guys can criticize away - knock yourselves out.  You just look like spoiled toddlers in the process.  At the first sign of adversity in 5 years many Scoopers are throwing in the towel on this team and coach - that to me is a shitty fanbase.

*not the first sign of adversity. See second half of season last year

[#UnleashNigel]

Donors privately bought out wojo's contract on short notice. The money is there. Ignoring the portal is purely a Shaka choice

The money was there.... For a one time payoff, and even that took a couple years of wading through wojos crap.

This is now a pay that amount every year thing.

[Hards Alumni]

There hasn't been a coach who could do much better at MU in 5 years since Al, than what Shaka has done - except Buzz.  And of course the self righteous Scoopers couldn't handle that there were some off court incidents with Buzz's players. Not to mention, prior to Shaka there wasn't an easy way/above board way to pay for players at all schools - so Shaka faces a landscape at MU that none of his predecessors had to navigate.

You guys can criticize away - knock yourselves out.  You just look like spoiled toddlers in the process.  At the first sign of adversity in 5 years many Scoopers are throwing in the towel on this team and coach - that to me is a shitty fanbase.

Choose different language to describe people being outraged of our coach tolerating sexual assault.

[panda]

The money was there.... For a one time payoff, and even that took a couple years of wading through wojos crap.

This is now a pay that amount every year thing.

Wrong

[#UnleashNigel]

Wrong

Okay. How?

[21Jumpstreet]

Things aren't great right now, but FFS Shaka should get some slack to get it sorted out even if it takes a couple of years, based on the first 4 he delivered.

This is how I feel. I think it takes a couple years. Shaka has proven he will practice what he preaches over the last few years, recruits are responding to that, if we are in the Final Four in four years, I'd say he has proven the model. I think we get there. His philosophy should methodically improve the talent year over year, and I think we see that in a couple years. 

[panda]

Okay. How?

Funds were secured following the meeting when wojo refused to change his staff. This happened in a matter of a few days.

Marquette crying poor is a completely manufactured stance from this coaching staff. We will never compete or pay for the million dollar player, nor should we. But it is incredibly disingenuous to say we don't have money when programs in our conference with less resources are finding great players in the portal.

[The Sultan]

There hasn't been a coach who could do much better at MU in 5 years since Al, than what Shaka has done - except Buzz.  And of course the self righteous Scoopers couldn't handle that there were some off court incidents with Buzz's players.

If being upset that a player / players were accused of sexual assault, and having the coach inserting himself into the investigation inappropriately makes me self-righteous, then f*ck yeah I'm self-righteous.

[nyg]

There hasn't been a coach who could do much better at MU in 5 years since Al, than what Shaka has done - except Buzz.  And of course the self righteous Scoopers couldn't handle that there were some off court incidents with Buzz's players. Not to mention, prior to Shaka there wasn't an easy way/above board way to pay for players at all schools - so Shaka faces a landscape at MU that none of his predecessors had to navigate.

You guys can criticize away - knock yourselves out.  You just look like spoiled toddlers in the process.  At the first sign of adversity in 5 years many Scoopers are throwing in the towel on this team and coach - that to me is a shitty fanbase.

I admire your admiration of Shaka and in the past you have made reference to him utilizing the name "God" in your posts. Any critique of Shaka by this board's members have resulted in your vitriol hatred of them, calling them now a shitty fanbase.  Thats not a fair assumption, most everyone is just a passionate fan and each has their own opinions. Your sensitivity towards any critical comments are extreme to say the least.

Also, why do you, on a consistent basis, when anyone does criticize Shaka, do you bring up Wojo as part of your response?  He has been gone for five years and has nothing to do with the current administration, roster construction and the outcome of the games.