Buzz Cut

[1SE]

Our current coach has two, 2 seeds in the NCAA tournament, a Seeet 16, a regular Big East and conference tournament championship, coming off a program drought of approximately 10 years from winning a tournament game...

And the same clowns who supported Wojo for nearly 5 years are the ones sounding the alarm on Shaka and even bringing up the "hot seat" because of two fucking early season losses to IU and MD?

It's pure comedy and idiocy. And guess what, this season isn't over...and I suspect we will make the NCAA tournament.

And the best win in the NCATT is a 10 seed. The other two over 15s. Not stellar.

[The Sultan]

I'm frustrated by the game, but I actually saw some optimism versus a decent team. Chase, great. Zaide, great. Nigel, great. Adrien, good. Ben, good except on O, and we needed it. Tre, Royce, and Damarius, not good.

Zaide and Nigel were "great?" Neither the stats nor the eye test show that.

[21Jumpstreet]

Zaide and Nigel were "great?" Neither the stats nor the eye test show that.

Great. They brought the energy, were active, made plays, give me optimism.

[GoldenEagles03]

Zaide and Nigel were "great?" Neither the stats nor the eye test show that.

Zaide looked great live.

I'll take 14 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists from him all day!

[The Sultan]

Zaide looked great live.

I'll take 14 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists from him all day!

On 6/19 shooting???  Outside of his two alley-oops, he went 4/17.  That's not great.

[The Sultan]

Great. They brought the energy, were active, made plays, give me optimism.

Your standards for greatness are far too low.

[GoldenEagles03]

On 6/19 shooting???  Outside of his two alley-oops, he went 4/17.  That's not great.

That'll happen. He was still taking the right shots and playing the game how we've wanted him to. Nothing was forced and he was productive.

[The Sultan]

That'll happen. He was still taking the right shots and playing the game how we've wanted him to. Nothing was forced and he was productive.

Gah! What am I reading here? 4/19 is the opposite of productive!

Yes, he didn't let that take away from his game in other ways, which is to be applauded. But it's hardly "great."

[BM1090]

No one is saying he should be fired. A failure this year, ignoring the portal next off season and another lackluster season puts him squarely on the hot seat.

Agree with this. I think two bad seasons and his seat is warm, a third and he's gone.

The last four years have been too good taking over a program that was really weak to panic after one season.

[Badgerhater]

Zaide looked great live.

I'll take 14 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 assists from him all day!

This is Scoop.  Only players with triple doubles of more than 20 rebounds and 30 points qualify as a great game.

[The Sultan]

This is Scoop.  Only players with triple doubles of more than 20 rebounds and 30 points qualify as a great game.

Ah. Hyperbole...

Zaide did not have a "great" game.

[Elonsmusk]

Your standards for greatness are far too low.

Your inability to recognize great potential is far too low.

Great. They brought the energy, were active, made plays, give me optimism.

Zaide and Nigel will have very good seasons.  Some fans choose to nitpick a guy playing his 4th collegiate game, and the other in his 4th game as a starter, beginning his Junior year.

Why I am not on the "holy crap" we suck bus?  I feel Royce has played WAY below his ability.  Nigel will just get better and better.  Zaide too.  Adrien Stevens will make nice progress this season, as will Caedin. Chase has improved a lot.  Ben Gold will be solid.

I see some promise in Caedin.  He too is starting his 4th collegiate game, and has added a good deal of athleticism as compared to where he was a year ago.  As for Zaide - I see a him turning in a potential All Big East Third Team type of season.

[panda]

Tom Izzo set his standard.  So did Coach K.  Did they never have down years that weren't as great as their peak years?  Of course they had some down years - while even being able to pretty much hand select their fair share of McDonald's All Americans.

I'm just annoyed with people taking issue with Shaka, when some of those same people:  A) Supported Wojo for 5+ years with far less accomplishment than Shaka, B) They also had issues with Buzz William winning big here, due to off court issues, C) Seem to think MU is a basketball blue blood, D) Shaka's recruiting has improved with this most recent class probably his best, E) Shaka is bright enough to know if he needs to change course, and if the non-portal approach "fails" two years in a row, I suspect you'll see him explore the portal.

A down year st Marquette should be squarely on the bubble for the ncaa tournament. We'll be lucky to sniff that level this year.

[Elonsmusk]

No one is saying he should be fired. A failure this year, ignoring the portal next off season and another lackluster season puts him squarely on the hot seat.

Shaka could have a lackluster season this year, and next - and he won't be on the hot seat.  You know why?  Because Mike Broeker isn't a dipshit.

[Badgerhater]

Your inability to recognize great potential is far too low.
Zaide and Nigel will have very good seasons.  Some fans choose to nitpick a guy playing his 4th collegiate game, and the other in his 4th game as a starter, beginning his Junior year.

Why I am not on the "holy crap" we suck bus?  I feel Royce has played WAY below his ability.  Nigel will just get better and better.  Zaide too.  Adrien Stevens will make nice progress this season, as will Caedin. Chase has improved a lot.  Ben Gold will be solid.

I see some promise in Caedin.  He too is starting his 4th collegiate game, and has added a good deal of athleticism as compared to where he was a year ago.  As for Zaide - I see a him turning in a potential All Big East Third Team type of season.

Such optimism is not welcome here.  Only catastrophic doom is allowed.

[Elonsmusk]

A down year st Marquette should be squarely on the bubble for the ncaa tournament. We'll be lucky to sniff that level this year.

Let's make a wager.  I'll wager MU is squarely on the bubble or in the NCAA this year.  Squarely on the bubble would qualify as the first 4 out.  $500 to MU's Be The Difference Fund?

[The Sultan]

Your inability to recognize great potential is far too low.

My lord. No one was talking about his potential. It was simply about his performance is yesterday's game.

[The Sultan]

Such optimism is not welcome here.  Only catastrophic doom is allowed.

More hyperbole...

[Badgerhater]

More hyperbole...

DOOM!

[The Sultan]

DOOM!

I'm not dooming at all. I'm just not going to throw out platitudes for what was really a poor performance by the team overall.

[brewcity77]

Tom Izzo set his standard.  So did Coach K.  Did they never have down years that weren't as great as their peak years?  Of course they had some down years - while even being able to pretty much hand select their fair share of McDonald's All Americans.

We've had one coach who met that standard and he left nearly 50 years ago. If Shaka goes to multiple Final Fours & cuts nets in April, he'll get the K/Izzo treatment, but he hasn't earned that yet.

I'm just annoyed with people taking issue with Shaka, when some of those same people:  A) Supported Wojo for 5+ years with far less accomplishment than Shaka, B) They also had issues with Buzz William winning big here, due to off court issues, C) Seem to think MU is a basketball blue blood, D) Shaka's recruiting has improved with this most recent class probably his best, E) Shaka is bright enough to know if he needs to change course, and if the non-portal approach "fails" two years in a row, I suspect you'll see him explore the portal.

So we shouldn't hold Shaka to the same standard Wojo was held to? No one is firing him now. And if he turns this year around, the conversation ends.

But if he finishes this year 14-18 (8-12) and does similar next year while continuing to be the only one breaking from the new normal in college basketball, it will all fall apart.

Students were chanting "use the portal" five games into the season. That will get old for players & staff quickly. If he does portal, it will require going back on what he's said. If he doesn't and results don't improve, he'll be on the "nuts" side of Al's quote and boosters will be itching for change.

Personally, I think this is the worst home loss since Omaha. Both the 2024 Butler loss and 2019 Georgetown loss could be argued, but those teams had already proven they had a higher ceiling at the point of those losses. This team hasn't. Could this season improve? Yes. But is it also possible we haven't hit rock bottom? Also yes.

[GoldenEagles03]

Gah! What am I reading here? 4/19 is the opposite of productive!

Yes, he didn't let that take away from his game in other ways, which is to be applauded. But it's hardly "great."

I just think he looked great live. Ideally you want to see the shooting percentage much better but he was playing more free and putting numbers in multiple stat columns. I am at least encouraged by his output.

[Elonsmusk]

We've had one coach who met that standard and he left nearly 50 years ago. If Shaka goes to multiple Final Fours & cuts nets in April, he'll get the K/Izzo treatment, but he hasn't earned that yet.

So we shouldn't hold Shaka to the same standard Wojo was held to? No one is firing him now. And if he turns this year around, the conversation ends.

But if he finishes this year 14-18 (8-12) and does similar next year while continuing to be the only one breaking from the new normal in college basketball, it will all fall apart.

Students were chanting "use the portal" five games into the season. That will get old for players & staff quickly. If he does portal, it will require going back on what he's said. If he doesn't and results don't improve, he'll be on the "nuts" side of Al's quote and boosters will be itching for change.

Personally, I think this is the worst home loss since Omaha. Both the 2024 Butler loss and 2019 Georgetown loss could be argued, but those teams had already proven they had a higher ceiling at the point of those losses. This team hasn't. Could this season improve? Yes. But is it also possible we haven't hit rock bottom? Also yes.

Teal?