Return of Buzz

[Scoop Snoop]

Sure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.

What? You don't think the vesties can boo loud enough?

[Uncle Rico]

What? You don't think the vesties can boo loud enough?

I think the vesties didn't see a problem

[mu_hilltopper]

But that's way different than "inside baseball," which implies that only insiders knew what was actually going on. Sure people forget and move on, but it was far from "inside baseball." It was well known and had implications for how the institution was lead and governed.

Inside baseball doesn't equal "secret baseball" as I'd use the phrase.

Yes, thousands read the articles.  Very few remember any of it -- because of the distance of years, because of the constant onslaught of scandal, and yeah, because it's unpleasant and most alumni are happy to memory hole that -- and none of it happened on the court.

In honesty .. I barely recall any of this. 

I look very fondly at the Buzz era and "count on" MUScoop to remind me how I should not.   

[CountryRoads]

Sure, but the people who remember won't be booing loud enough to be heard over the majority.

Agreed. My prediction for the Buzz reaction:

Mostly Indifferent: ~14,000 fans
Mild Boos (Buzz left for VT): ~1,000 fans
Loud Boos (Buzz = slimeball): 12 scoopers

The guy did coach here several more seasons after these incidents and I didn't notice the average fan changing their opinion much of him as a result during that time. 

Not much different than any other opposing coach.

[Hards Alumni]

I think it will be mostly cheers.  Jerel's jersey is being retired, and people are generally respectful.  They'll see no reason to act up when it's Jerel's day, not Buzz's.

[GoldenEagles03]

I won't boo. I won't cheer.

I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.

[The Sultan]

I won't boo. I won't cheer.

I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.

I would guess a good portion of the students will have no idea who Buzz even is.

[muwarrior69]

Inside baseball doesn't equal "secret baseball" as I'd use the phrase.

Yes, thousands read the articles.  Very few remember any of it -- because of the distance of years, because of the constant onslaught of scandal, and yeah, because it's unpleasant and most alumni are happy to memory hole that -- and none of it happened on the court.

In honesty .. I barely recall any of this. 

I look very fondly at the Buzz era and "count on" MUScoop to remind me how I should not. 

Oh C'mon! This ranks right up there with the Paterno/Sandusky scandal at Penn State. Buzz was a sleaze ball, but we won games on the basketball court and that is all that matters.

[Viper]

There were articles about this stuff in the Chicago Tribune and New York Times.

...credible journalism?

[The Sultan]

...credible journalism?

Well, they don't have Megyn Kelly's sex crimes expertise, but they're pretty good.

[MU82]

...credible journalism?

News outlets that confirm your biases = credible.

News outlets that report facts you don't like = not credible.

[Uncle Rico]

Well, they don't have Megyn Kelly's sex crimes expertise, but they're pretty good.

There's a difference between diddling a 5 year-old and a 15 year-old

[Bruce43]

I met Buzz at the midnight madness a couple of different years and had extremely positive interactions (along with very positive interactions with Jimmy Butler, Lazar, etc.)

Someone said Buzz was a bad fit for MU...maybe between him and the admin, but from a purely basketball perspective I can't disagree more. His teams played hard for him and when we could actually score more than 40 points (Syracuse Elite 8 game 2013...still hurts) were a nightmare to play against.

Clearly, he made some big mistakes while at MU that have slightly tarnished his legacy. I think it's fair to reminisce about his time here while keeping in mind those faults. I won't be at the game but I would definitely be clapping.

[Farley36]

The most successful Marquette coach since Al.  All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in.  Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.

[Shooter McGavin]

I think if Shaka stays he is will attain that level and hopefully more.

[Hards Alumni]

The most successful Marquette coach since Al.  All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in.  Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.

Turds of a feather, plop together, I guess.

Don't forget to flush, loser.

[cheebs09]

The most successful Marquette coach since Al.  All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in.  Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.

I don't know that there's much of a gap if any. A pair of 2 seeds and a Big East championship and BET championship is up there. Other than an Elite 8 (big caveat) I'd say Shaka is ahead.

[Uncle Rico]

I don't know that there's much of a gap if any. A pair of 2 seeds and a Big East championship and BET championship is up there. Other than an Elite 8 (big caveat) I'd say Shaka is ahead.

Buzz leads in damage to the university which is a plus for some

[Newsdreams]

Well, rape is legal now, I think

If you home grown christian, yes

[Badgerhater]

I won't boo. I won't cheer.

I'll give a nice short little clap and move on. Hoping the crowd and particularly the student section is more focused on the win than the boo'ing of Buzz but I'm guessing it won't be. Most of the kids in the student section probably have little recollection of Buzz at MU but the easy thing for them to do will be boo.

The MU student section would boo the Pope if he coached the opposing team.

[tower912]

The MU student section would boo the Pope if he coached the opposing team.

Especially Kentucky.

[Galway Eagle]

The most successful Marquette coach since Al.  All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in.  Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.

2012 and 2024 were comparable but edge to 2024 for better seed.

2010 and last year were comparable edge to 2010 for better seed

2022 and 2011 were comparable. If you grade regular season edge to 2022 if you grade March edge to 2011.

2023 & 2013 were comparable and again it depends on your opinion of conference tournament championship & higher seed vs elite 8.

Really all Shaka needs is to have a comparable year to 2009 and have horrible year despite having an unbelievably experienced team of a 6th year SR, 2 5th yr seniors, a regular senior and 2 juniors who all played under his system for years and years.

[MuMark]

Buzz catching 4.5 against his former school

#Gap

[Shooter McGavin]

Especially Kentucky.

Incidently, met Coach Pope a few weeks ago.  Nice guy. 

[StillAWarrior]

The most successful Marquette coach since Al.  All while Marquette was in the toughest conference they've ever been in.  Shaka wishes he could come close to the success Buzz had here.

Turds of a feather, plop together, I guess.

You can dislike Buzz (I do) and really like Shaka (again, I do) and still acknowledge that Farley's post is pretty much true. The double-BEast championship was fantastic. But I have to assume that even Shaka has his sights set higher.