Hoosier beat down

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I don't like your data points so I will call them disingenuous.  C'mon.  You are better than that.

MU has a long history of transfers.  My time at MU goes back to 84.  The transfers in the last 40 years have been a mixed bag, just like the high schoolers.  In my 40 years, the top transfers are, off the top of my head
Downing
Boone
Curry
Jackson
Fitzgerald
Lockett
Wilson.

Buzz and JUCO's are a category unto themselves.

I am not opposed to transfers.  I cheered for all of the ones in the years prior.  I will cheer for any tranfer that Shaka brings in.  I just don't see it in the near future.  So, I will root for RGV

I'm curious, how are you defining "top" here? Ballyhoo'd, impact, other?

[wadesworld]

Rick's championship with Kentucky has not been vacated.

Thanks.  That's what I get for using Google's AI.

I mean the NBA doesn't have the tradition of development and loyalty that the college ranks does and I don't think he has much say in the King's roster construction. 

Woof.  Hell of a post by me.

[rocky_warrior]

it's not like their first game against a high major opponent went a ton better than Marquette's did

True, though I think Gonzaga will be quite good this year.  Indiana?  TBD.

[Galway Eagle]

True, though I think Gonzaga will be quite good this year.  Indiana?  TBD.

I don't know, I hear IU put a beating on a strong power conference program with a ton of roster continuity. Definitely going to turn heads this year.

[Newsdreams]

Always be portaling

[MU82]

It will probably happen every time Marquette gets the sh*t smacked out of it by a team with contributors from the transfer portal.

Speaking of which, Painter seems to have hit with his two pickups from the portal, while maintaining a bunch of continuity.

Painter has done better than most at managing this landscape IMHO. He seems to have committed strongly to the players he recruited, developed and retained, even as he also has brought in a few key transfers over the years.

[WhiteTrash]

Painter has done better than most at managing this landscape IMHO. He seems to have committed strongly to the players he recruited, developed and retained, even as he also has brought in a few key transfers over the years.

I firmly believe Shaka is every bit as capable as Painter to do this. But I'm repeatedly told Shaka has sworn off transfers and will torpedo his credibility is he does. He has picked his hill, move on, case closed.

[rocky_warrior]

I firmly believe Shaka is every bit as capable as Painter to do this. But I'm repeatedly told Shaka has sworn off transfers and will torpedo his credibility is he does. He has picked his hill, move on, case closed.

As others (at least @DoctorV) has said, RGV is a package.  R&G won't continue without the V.  With, or without Shaka (and Duh, I'm talking about more than one year of V problems, of which isn't even certain this year).

[MU82]

I firmly believe Shaka is every bit as capable as Painter to do this. But I'm repeatedly told Shaka has sworn off transfers and will torpedo his credibility is he does. He has picked his hill, move on, case closed.

You keep making stuff up, but carry on.

[Uncle Rico]

You keep making stuff up, but carry on.

If Marquette keeps losing, will White Trash tell us not to care about Marquette like the White Sox, Bulls and Bears?  Or will he really not care and not post?

[79Warrior]

I firmly believe Shaka is every bit as capable as Painter to do this. But I'm repeatedly told Shaka has sworn off transfers and will torpedo his credibility is he does. He has picked his hill, move on, case closed.

exactly, move on.

[tower912]

I'm curious, how are you defining "top" here? Ballyhoo'd, impact, other?

Yes.


Honestly, Just pulling names off the top of my head without a lot of deep thought.


And yes, case closed.  Until it isn't.

[Scoop Snoop]

Yes.


Honestly, Just pulling names off the top of my head without a lot of deep thought.

Deep thought is not welcome on scoop. Pulling ideas off the top of your head or out of your ass doesn't make fellow scoopers feel inadequate, so kudos Tower.

[tower912]

Deep thought is not welcome on scoop. Pulling ideas off the top of your head or out of your ass doesn't make fellow scoopers feel inadequate, so kudos Tower.

I don't know.  It just felt unnatural to me.

[Galway Eagle]

I don't like your data points so I will call them disingenuous.  C'mon.  You are better than that.

MU has a long history of transfers.  My time at MU goes back to 84.  The transfers in the last 40 years have been a mixed bag, just like the high schoolers.  In my 40 years, the top transfers are, off the top of my head
Downing
Boone
Curry
Jackson
Fitzgerald
Lockett
Wilson.

Buzz and JUCO's are a category unto themselves.

I am not opposed to transfers.  I cheered for all of the ones in the years prior.  I will cheer for any tranfer that Shaka brings in.   I just don't see it in the near future.  So, I will root for RGV

Kolek (and Omax) probably deserve to be on that list somewhere.

But since my 08-09 fandom began (not including Jucos) we have Jamil, Lockett, Carlino, Fischer, Reinhardt, Jayce Johnson, Rowsey, Chartouney, McKewan, Kolek, Omax, Morsell, Kur.

While there were some key role players there outside of Kolek, I don't see anyone that was "the guy" however getting someone like Lockett or Carlino now would likely come with a hefty price tag. Not sure if I were a highly rated sophomore about to get "my chance in the lime light" I'd be cool with seeing the NIL budget blown on a guy like that, especially if they don't end up putting up some great numbers.

[tower912]

You are correct.  And I like your list better.

Your point about an up and coming sophomore vs. Carlino is the crux of the argument.

[Newsdreams]

I firmly believe Shaka is every bit as capable as Painter to do this. But I'm repeatedly told Shaka has sworn off transfers and will torpedo his credibility is he does. He has picked his hill, move on, case closed.

#FakeNews

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Yes.


Honestly, Just pulling names off the top of my head without a lot of deep thought.


And yes, case closed.  Until it isn't.

I asked because IIRC, Walter Downing was thought to be a huge get at the time, but really underwhelmed as far as impact. Pretty much the mirror opposite of Kolek, who you didn't list at all. So, I was wondering about your criteria is all.

[tower912]

My criteria was typing the names that popped into my head in a 45 second window.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

My criteria was typing the names that popped into my head in a 45 second window.

Unacceptable! Focus and show them no mercy.

[Hards Alumni]

Yes. He is a liability out there. Selfish on O and doesn't get back on D. And he has the physical tools to be a stud. Hopefully, he can find the maturity needed to excel but he needs a gut check because he doesn't seem upset to be glued to the bench with freshman playing ahead of him.


And, what am I missing re Parham for those who like him? He's a back hole and bad decision maker who looks for himself first and foremost. He made some plays when the game was over but he has irrational confidence in his abilities considering his limited athleticism. He also plays flat footed and has no explosion. Looks like a great rec leaguer.

Sean lacks in all things that a PG should excel in. Gets into the paint without a plan. Doesn't catch the ball ready to shoot. Dribbles too much. And his D close outs were embarrassing today. Where has he gotten better while sitting out for two years? Did he bother to talk to Tyler at all about how to control tempo and an offense?

Shaka needs a better offensive coach on the bench. You can only give NBA level control to players with NBA level abilities. And we had none of those. So in game coaching matters all the more and unfortunately that is Shaka's biggest weakness. It pains me to say it because I love Shaka and his approach and want it to work. But that was Game 2 with a wholly new roster for Devries and IU and they made us look like we don't belong.

I really hate that I agree with all of this.

[MU82]

My favorite transfers:

For pure immediate impact, it's hard to top Robert Jackson. We desperately needed a center, and he not only filled that need but filled it superbly as one of the important players on a Final Four team.

Kolek obviously exceeded even the loftiest expectations people had for him. I think sometimes folks forget that his first season with Marquette had nearly as many downs as ups - he couldn't shoot, he often suffered from lack of confidence, Shaka had to bench him a couple of times, the general feeling after the season was that we needed better PG play to take the next step. Thankfully, he went on to provide sensational PG play and leadership.

Jamil was a disappointment most of his time at Marquette, but he came through big-time at the end of the Elite Eight season.

Rowsey was fun to watch. He played defense about as well as I would now, but he had stones and a flare for the dramatic.

OMax was a major contributor to a 2-seed.

Morsell brought skill and toughness to Shaka's first team.

Lockett just did his job game after game after game. Scoopers for some reason expected more, especially at first, so they didn't appreciate how reliable and tough he was.

Reinhardt came through in the upset of Nova, and he was always willing to take the big shot. It was only one season, but he really seemed to like being at MU.

[Hards Alumni]

I think, lost in all of this is that Tre HAS improved.  Sure, the minutes have been limited, but I think he may have taken a step forward.

Just trying to be positive here.

[brewcity77]

I think, lost in all of this is that Tre HAS improved.  Sure, the minutes have been limited, but I think he may have taken a step forward.

Just trying to be positive here.

He may have, but getting 3 minutes in the first meaningful game wasn't a rousing endorsement.

[mileskishnish72]

He may have, but getting 3 minutes in the first meaningful game wasn't a rousing endorsement.

True, but he wasn't stand out bad (like some) so maybe his minutes will increase.