Hoosier beat down

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Really? There are potential downsides with HS recruits, so ignore that strategy also?

I'll concede obvious, transfers are not 100% guaranteed to be successful. 

 

There's risk with every approach and I never said otherwise, did I? 

Not sure why it's so difficult for you to comprehend the downside of Shaka abandoning everything he's preached to every recruit snd their families. It's not complicated.

[MUCam]

There's risk with every approach and I never said otherwise, did I? 

Not sure why it's so difficult for you to comprehend the downside of Shaka abandoning everything he's preached to every recruit snd their families. It's not complicated.

This. Shaka has embraced (and sold) an idea. The idea has become symbolic to Marquette and Shaka's approach.

It would take a lot, I think, for him to abandon it at the first sign of trouble. One horrible display against Indiana is not going to change it.

I'd say, so far, Shaka's success at Marquette has solidified his commitment to his vision and the "idea."

Time will tell. Either the idea in its purest form (no transfers ever — which by the way, he's never said is part of the vision) will succeed, or he will adapt, or he will fail and we move on.

For now, however, I cannot fault someone committed to a vision that is much more long-term looking than the immediate short-term benefit of, for example, grabbing a PG this past year in the portal. He has to stay true to his vision until results force him to adapt. I applaud that and support that even if I think some transfers might help in some years.

[WhiteTrash]

There's risk with every approach and I never said otherwise, did I? 

Not sure why it's so difficult for you to comprehend the downside of Shaka abandoning everything he's preached to every recruit snd their families. It's not complicated.

Your position would be valid if Shaka is telling HS recruits he will never use the portal. Agreed that he would rightfully be called a liar.

Do we really think Shaka is doing that?

[tower912]

Your position would be valid if Shaka is telling HS recruits he will never use the portal. Agreed that he would rightfully be called a liar.

Do we really think Shaka is doing that?

The words of the recruits and their families seem to indicate they are being told he will not use the portal to recruit over them.   And that is a selling point.

[WhiteTrash]

The words of the recruits and their families seem to indicate they are being told he will not use the portal to recruit over them.   And that is a selling point.

I really like Shaka's attempt to be different.

I don't like that he has shut the door on a significant talent pool.

If his strategy fails, he is going to lose all credibility if he brings in transfers. That, I'm afraid, would be the end.

[tower912]

He has chosen his hill.

[Newsdreams]

He has chosen his hill.

Hilltopper!

[1318WWells]

The words of the recruits and their families seem to indicate they are being told he will not use the portal to recruit over them.   And that is a selling point.

I get saying this to the top 100ish recruits. But when you have a glaring need at center last year (I love Ben just think he's playing out of position most of the time), wouldn't it have been ok to bring in a 1 year transfer over the two recruits you took a flyer on?

We all agree that Oso developed exceptionally during his time at MU. I think a vital part of that development was banging at practice every day against Theo John and then Kur Kuath his first two years. You could tell that many of those moves around the basket were developed avoiding Kur's shot blocking ability. He was then unfazed when attacking the basket against the likes of Edey and Kalkbrenner.

Even the other players honed their ability to attack a shot blocker.

All reports the last two summers were that Caeden was dominating and was ready to contribute. Could it have appeared that way because he had no Theo or Kur or Oso ahead of him? Would he have been better served banging against a 4th or 5th year transfer in practice last year?

Would that transfer center stealing 8-10 minutes a game have allowed Ben to maybe stay a little healthier at the end of the season?

Same at point guard last year. Although I'll concede that Shaka was anticipating Sean's healthy return last season.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Your position would be valid if Shaka is telling HS recruits he will never use the portal. Agreed that he would rightfully be called a liar.

Do we really think Shaka is doing that?

I doubt Shaka would ever speak in absolutes like "never" and "always". However, if we take his words at face value, and why wouldn't we, using the portal in the manner some here think he should isn't going to happen.

I think there would need to be very specific circumstances for Shaka to bring a transfer in, especially one that would be expected to play a significant role immediately.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I get saying this to the top 100ish recruits. But when you have a glaring need at center last year (I love Ben just think he's playing out of position most of the time), wouldn't it have been ok to bring in a 1 year transfer over the two recruits you took a flyer on?

We all agree that Oso developed exceptionally during his time at MU. I think a vital part of that development was banging at practice every day against Theo John and then Kur Kuath his first two years. You could tell that many of those moves around the basket were developed avoiding Kur's shot blocking ability. He was then unfazed when attacking the basket against the likes of Edey and Kalkbrenner.

Even the other players honed their ability to attack a shot blocker.

All reports the last two summers were that Caeden was dominating and was ready to contribute. Could it have appeared that way because he had no Theo or Kur or Oso ahead of him? Would he have been better served banging against a 4th or 5th year transfer in practice last year?

Would that transfer center stealing 8-10 minutes a game have allowed Ben to maybe stay a little healthier at the end of the season?

Same at point guard last year. Although I'll concede that Shaka was anticipating Sean's healthy return last season.

But was there a one-year transfer available who would have been willing to come to play only 8-10 MPG while still being productive in those limited minutes?

That's where I think this falls apart a bit. People just assume whatever kind of role we might want to fill will be available and willing to come. I imagine most transfers are looking for a larger role and more minutes.