Hoosier beat down

[Billy Hoyle]

Billy Hoyle was a big Wojo guy.  It's laughable he is even mentioning the word mediocrity around our program with Shaka at the helm.

I was? I don't seem to remember that.

[rocky_warrior]

I was? I don't seem to remember that.

Well you see, if you ever expressed that MU was not in a good financial position to fire wojo, you were a "big wojo guy".  In fact, if you ever said anything other than "fire wojo now", you were a big wojo guy.

But, it's not like Ners logic ever makes sense.

[WhiteTrash]

Depends on how and when they are used and the impact on the current roster or any commitments.

People talk about the portal like it exists in a vacuum. That's not how it works.

Who are these people?

[Markusquette]

Thanks! It turns out that we are mostly in agreement.

But no thanks to you for reminding me about Chartouny. I remember one game in particular where he was on the perimeter while teammates scurried around in the paint, briefly getting open. Until, that is, Chartouny stared right at the guy and the defender was on him like duct tape. The only thing he did not do was point at the guy to alert him that he was going to pass to him.    

You should watch this 3 minute long mixtape so you are reminded of all of the good memories 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKWx7NBwbE

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Who are these people?

You, for starters.

Anyone that complains about not using the portal never acknowledges the potential downsides and risk.

[Scoop Snoop]

You should watch this 3 minute long mixtape so you are reminded of all of the good memories 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYKWx7NBwbE

Thanks! I really enjoyed it. We all have some times when we look bad, so this is a well-deserved redemption, mixtape or not.

[Newsdreams]

Got it - no doubt is there potential for the portal route to not work out. I've argued for the benefits since two of Shaka's best players were portal acquisitions (albeit pre-NIL) in Kolek and O-Max. As we know, portal additions like Joe Chartouny come along as well.

Being entirely closed off is what concerns me long-term. Love Shaka, admire his philosophy, but will scrutinize it even more if the next couple of years are rougher. As some others have reminded, this is his first full year with only his guys.

And Pérez and others....

[tower912]

And Pérez and others....

Wrightsil

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

We've moved from the IU game to transfers v. roster continuity to Wojo to failed recruits.

[Newsdreams]

Wrightsil

Yup

[tower912]

We've moved from the IU game to transfers v. roster continuity to Wojo to failed recruits.

Something entirely new in scoopville.

[Uncle Rico]

Have they fired Shaka yet and hired Wardle?

[Newsdreams]

Have they fired Shaka yet and hired Wardle?

#donedeal

[Uncle Rico]

#donedeal

Hopefully, he gets Diener as an assistant with Chapman and Kojis

[Small Orange Soda]

Wrightsil

Are injuries somehow unique to transfers?

[Newsdreams]

Are injuries somehow unique to transfers?

He wasn't really working out prior.

[Small Orange Soda]

He wasn't really working out prior.

Wasn't he hurt one way or another his whole time here?

[Newsdreams]

Wasn't he hurt one way or another his whole time here?

Three games got injured, but stats no bueno
Marquette University (2022-2023)
Points: 1.3
Rebounds: 1.7
Assists: 0.7
Steals: 0.3
Blocks: 0.0

[Shooter McGavin]

I get everyone's point about how portal players can flop (the players have been named above).  But it depends on where you go shopping and who you going shopping for. Going after  Chartouney, Wrightsil, etc was like shopping at goodwill.  Kolek (Atlantic 10 rookie of the year) Darryl Morsell (Big Ten defensive player of the year), Omax a 6'8" hyper athletic kid from The ACC, Kur Kueth (solid fourth year center in the Big 12, role player) etc were more like shopping at a real department store.  Were they elite brands?  No.  But certainly better pedigree than Chartouny and Wrightsil.  Listing the shitty players that MU took a flyer on that haven't worked out for MU is disingenuous at best and distracts from an honest conversation.

Again, don't care what Shaka and MU do.  I will be there to support the team and will hope for the best.

Agree with Snoop, let's win Wednesday and really get right against Buzz on Saturday! 

[tower912]

I don't like your data points so I will call them disingenuous.  C'mon.  You are better than that.

MU has a long history of transfers.  My time at MU goes back to 84.  The transfers in the last 40 years have been a mixed bag, just like the high schoolers.  In my 40 years, the top transfers are, off the top of my head
Downing
Boone
Curry
Jackson
Fitzgerald
Lockett
Wilson.

Buzz and JUCO's are a category unto themselves.

I am not opposed to transfers.  I cheered for all of the ones in the years prior.  I will cheer for any tranfer that Shaka brings in.   I just don't see it in the near future.  So, I will root for RGV

[Shooter McGavin]

Agreed, they are a mixed bag.  But some MU really took a chance on and it didn't pan out probably not unexpectedly.  Almost like they were trying to find lightning in a bottle.

Shop at better places, get better players.  There is way more inventory to choose from now than when we were at MU in the 80s. 

[Small Orange Soda]

Three games got injured, but stats no bueno
Marquette University (2022-2023)
Points: 1.3
Rebounds: 1.7
Assists: 0.7
Steals: 0.3
Blocks: 0.0

Right, because he was already hurt. Not saying he would've been good otherwise.

I don't like your data points so I will call them disingenuous.  C'mon.  You are better than that.

MU has a long history of transfers.  My time at MU goes back to 84.  The transfers in the last 40 years have been a mixed bag, just like the high schoolers.  In my 40 years, the top transfers are, off the top of my head
Downing
Boone
Curry
Jackson
Fitzgerald
Lockett
Wilson.

Buzz and JUCO's are a category unto themselves.

I am not opposed to transfers.  I cheered for all of the ones in the years prior.  I will cheer for any tranfer that Shaka brings in.   I just don't see it in the near future.  So, I will root for RGV

I think you bring up a good point though, tower. Marquette has never shied away from transfers. When the team had holes, they filled them. I don't think anyone here is asking for anything different. Pre NIL and the portal, they would take one here and there. No one is asking for annual roster turnover. Would Tre Norman have survived Wojo, Buzz, Crean?

[WhiteTrash]

You, for starters.

Anyone that complains about not using the portal never acknowledges the potential downsides and risk.

Really? There are potential downsides with HS recruits, so ignore that strategy also?

I'll concede obvious, transfers are not 100% guaranteed to be successful.