Hoosier beat down

[GoldenEagles03]

Some of our fans are truly the worst but I suppose that's true for every team. 

Maybe it make make sense to see how this and next year (that's right) progress before losing your sh*t. 

Just enjoying the ride!

The NIL era has really shortened the amount of teams capable of winning a National Championship every year. It's harder to compete at the top and much more confusing in the middle.

Just excited to see this team develop and hopefully position themselves to be in the mix for something special later on.

[MU82]

The NIL era has really shortened the amount of teams capable of winning a National Championship every year.

The opposite is true IMHO.

[panda]

Yes feelings are important. I feel this team has big time issues.

Who are they going to play instead? Tre?

Sean will have to play out of necessity. Nigel looks very real but he can't go 40. He might not even be able to go 25 this early in his career. He will have his own Freshman growing pains too.

Shaka should've never talked him out of transferring

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Today was awful.  I have some close friends that are delusional IU fans. 

Absolutely fair to have questions and concerns but, my God, some of you are absolutely nuts. 

[GoldenEagles03]

The opposite is true IMHO.

You think? Feels the opposite for me.

The teams might change everso slightly each year but it seems like the amount of realistic champs has shrunk. Idk.

[The Sultan]

One of the things that was very concerning after watching that game is that we heard all off-season that the staff was really high on Sean. And he was awful. He showed little scoring ability, continued to make poor turnovers, and is an absolute liability on a switching defense.

I said as the season was winding down last year, that a transfer point might be the best option heading into this season. But obviously that didn't happen. So that leads me to ask...does the staff overrate the talent that is on their own team?

And don't get me started on people being high on Caedin heading into the season.

[MU82]

One of the things that was very concerning after watching that game is that we heard all off-season that the staff was really high on Sean. And he was awful. He showed little scoring ability, continued to make poor turnovers, and is an absolute liability on a switching defense.

I said as the season was winding down last year, that a transfer point might be the best option heading into this season. But obviously that didn't happen. So that leads me to ask...does the staff overrate the talent that is on their own team?
 

It's a legit question.

[mug644]

Tower, I think the thread title should've been "Hoosier daddy".

To me, a big difference between this year and the last couple is that the role for each guy is still evolving. Shaka loves to preach about "playing your role to the maximum" and I like the concept. Roles have generally been pretty well defined entering each of Shaka's years at MU. This year, though, there are more moving parts and younger guys might be truly pushing for playing time over guys who've been in the program longer. While that might be good for the long term, it is a challenge now.

[tower912]

It almost was.

Or Hoosier leader going to be?

[muwarrior69]

To my eyes, this game was more about what Indiana did than what Marquette didn't do.

A Shaka defense doesn't give up 100, but most offenses don't shoot 50% from 3 on that volume.

I saw some poor rotations and there were more open looks than there needed to be, but there were substantially more well contested hand in the face type 3P makes by the Hoosiers.
Sometimes, when your opponent makes those it can become very deflating and shake your confidence/energy.

On top of that, I rarely if ever complain about the refs and they didn't screw MU, but that was the most whistle happy and choppy game I've witnessed in person. Can't believe MU was in the 1 and 1 before the 15 min mark in the 1H and still got destroyed.
Just a strange game in a lot of ways.

As for our guys, to me the biggest shock was that they couldn't turn that team over or get them flustered at all, but again when you make 14 3s and lead comfortably for 30 mins it's hard to get shook.

It's also very strange that MU was clearly much quicker and more athletic all over the court and got blown out. Let's not forget that Indiana starts 5 seniors. They won't shoot like that more than a few times all season, and they will have to shoot 40% from 3 to win a lot of tough B10 games because they will be athletically inferior to their opponent, but it bodes very well for DeVries that they don't turn it over and that their mid major guys look to be high major players.

Those aren't excuses, and Shaka does have a problem. He has b2b classes with what *could be only 1-2 BE starting type of players- Zaide and Sean should hold their own, Parham too more often than not hopefully- and that's going to present a problem.
Not to beat a dead horse but he really needs Parham and DO to figure it out and get that sophomore life that Zaide got in the 2H of last year, or else it'll get tough.

I digress. My main takeaway today is that it was a pretty anomalous game, and I'm not sure how useful the tape will be outside of showing missed rotations and lack of help on defense. Otherwise, throw that one away.
Oh, and Nigel James can play.
And Tucker DeVries is a jerk but he's got some solid old man game for the college level

My only criticism of the refs is that they called a very tight game for most of the first half and then all of a sudden what were fouls were no longer fouls.

[mug644]

My only criticism of the refs is that they called a very tight game for most of the first half and then all of a sudden what were fouls were no longer fouls.

That's how I felt about the reffing. It wasn't bad per se, but it seemed very inconsistent. Called much tighter at the beginning of each half than later.

[The Sultan]

It was a typically, awfully reffed game.

[MU82]

If it had been the best-reffed game in the history of basketball, we still would have been crushed. The final score might even have been more lopsided.