Hoosier beat down

[tower912]

1.  I remember under Buzz when we would all be frustrated that he hadn't installed his offense.  It feels like Shaka doesn't have their defense installed yet.  Much like the offense in the first half of the Albany game where the offense was a whole lot of first action but rarely second action, it looks to me like there isn't a complete understanding and trust on defense.  Related to that may be no longer switching 1-5.
2.  Shaka switched up his second  half starting line up.  Notable as it is the first time in years.  Get used to it.
3. Sean will figure out how how to play point.  Getting into the paint without a plan for the next play.
4.  IU did a really good job of screening off the ball. Creating just enough of a rub to create space for DeVries or Wilkerson.  Those two could not miss.
5.  MU did a phenomenal job of getting to the basket and getting fouled, compared to what we are used to.
6.  Sadly, too often trading 2 for 3.
7.  No deflections.
8.  They are going to be coachable this week.  'Why am I not playing more?'   Here, let me show you how you played defense against Indiana. 
9. So, young men.  Back to work.  Work on your defensive rotations and help.
10.  I still believe this a tourney team. 

[PointWarrior]

Just posted in game thread:

Marquette's continuity roster got its ass kicked by Indiana's portal roster.

[Norm]

Just posted in game thread:

Marquette's continuity roster got its ass kicked by Indiana's portal roster.

Who on MU's roster would start for Indiana? Maybe Chase?

[CountryRoads]

Not going to get too worked up about this one on Nov 9th. Shaka has built up a lot of equity with me. Think these guys will be playing well by the end of the year. Hopefully it's enough for a bid.

Nigel looks way ahead of Sean. I thought he would pass him next year, but it may actually be as soon as this Wednesday. Also, Parham looked good. He's going to be in there instead of Hamilton before we know it.

Nigel, Chase, Lowery, Parham, Gold. That's our best lineup imo, and we'll see it more often going forward.

[JakeBarnes]

If this game is any indication, you can commit a moving screen at all times.

Sour grapes aside...this team needs to buy into the defense. It was kinda sad watching it today. The only person that deserves kudos is Ben. dude played hard af

[Farley36]

Not going to get too worked up about this one on Nov 9th.

Except this is the part of the season where Shaka teams are actually successful.  If there are this bad now, think of the disaster we'll see in February and March.

[Johnny B]

Except this is the part of the season where Shaka teams are actually successful.  If there are this bad now, think of the disaster we'll see in February and March.

Wow you think they'll be playing in march? You're a lot higher on this team than I would've thought

[Billy Hoyle]

If this game is any indication, you can commit a moving screen at all times.

Sour grapes aside...this team needs to buy into the defense. It was kinda sad watching it today. The only person that deserves kudos is Ben. dude played hard af

Parham too. He was using his body and strength to get rebounds and draw fouls.

[Billy Hoyle]

Wow you think they'll be playing in march? You're a lot higher on this team than I would've thought

The Big East tournament is in March, so he's not wrong.

[willie warrior]

1.  I remember under Buzz when we would all be frustrated that he hadn't installed his offense.  It feels like Shaka doesn't have their defense installed yet.  Much like the offense in the first half of the Albany game where the offense was a whole lot of first action but rarely second action, it looks to me like there isn't a complete understanding and trust on defense.  Related to that may be no longer switching 1-5.
2.  Shaka switched up his second  half starting line up.  Notable as it is the first time in years.  Get used to it.
3. Sean will figure out how how to play point.  Getting into the paint without a plan for the next play.
4.  IU did a really good job of screening off the ball. Creating just enough of a rub to create space for DeVries or Wilkerson.  Those two could not miss.
5.  MU did a phenomenal job of getting to the basket and getting fouled, compared to what we are used to.
6.  Sadly, too often trading 2 for 3.
7.  No deflections.
8.  They are going to be coachable this week.  'Why am I not playing more?'   Here, let me show you how you played defense against Indiana. 
9. So, young men.  Back to work.  Work on your defensive rotations and help.
10.  I still believe this a tourney team. 

I will have what you are smoking

[tower912]

As long as we disagree, I feel like I am in a safe space.

[tower912]

More free throws, more rebounds, more points in the paint.  Things to build on.   

Too many turnovers, too many open 3's allowed.  Things to work on.

[CaptBob]

Just curious, when was the last time Marquette gave up 100 points? It has to be eons ago---I'm a SHU grad & it's pretty much an annual occurrence here in Jersey. Good luck this year in the Big East!

[CountryRoads]

Just curious, when was the last time Marquette gave up 100 points? It has to be eons ago---I'm a SHU grad & it's pretty much an annual occurrence here in Jersey. Good luck this year in the Big East!

Without looking, I thought it was when that cupcake Omaha dropped 100 on us in the Wojos first year but that was 97.

[brewcity77]

Oh boy.

• My expectations for Sean were all based on improved decision making. So far, he hasn't shown that on either end. Too often his feet leave the ground without a plan of where the ball is going.
• NJ might be the key to this team. It was 32-29 in the first half when he went out, then it all went to hell. Give the kid the keys.
• Tucker DeVries made some crazy crap to put us down early. That an Enright's three...there were some aspects of "this isn't our day". But...
• ...When we were getting back into it in the second half, we didn't go over screens and Lamar Wilkerson shot us right back out of it. The defense wasn't up to speed.
• If our defense is predicated on disruption and turnovers, we need to get hands on the ball and generate turnovers. I was more concerned about the defense than the offense today.
• Development is our other cornerstone. Not enough from SJ, Royce, Owens, Caedin (if he's going to start).
• Give me as much NJ/Chase/Zaide/Parham/Gold as they can handle. Shaka may not know his best lineups yet, but it sure feels like that's it.

[GoldenEagles03]

Who on MU's roster would start for Indiana? Maybe Chase?

Nigel.

[tower912]

I, too was more concerned about the defense than the offense. 

To start, this isn't the same defensive concept that we have seen the last 4 years.  Not switching 1-5, not switching as much in general.  Trying to use the length and speed to guard more one on one.

The help isn't automatic and instinctive yet.  When to double the dribble.  When, as the 5, to leave your man and contest the shot.  And, when that happens, weak side defenders dropping down to take away the dump offs and to fight for rebounds after the big contests the drive.  I commented on this after the Albany game and singled out Chase and Damarius.

  Specific to today and what IU did with their off ball screening to get open looks for DeVries and Wilkerson, MU was indecisive.  Shooter's defender fighting through the screen?  Screener's defender jumping to the shooter?  Whatever they chose, it was late.

Things to work on.

[Jay Bee]

#FTsNoMatta

[Viper]

1.  I remember under Buzz when we would all be frustrated that he hadn't installed his offense.  It feels like Shaka doesn't have their defense installed yet.  Much like the offense in the first half of the Albany game where the offense was a whole lot of first action but rarely second action, it looks to me like there isn't a complete understanding and trust on defense.  Related to that may be no longer switching 1-5.
2.  Shaka switched up his second  half starting line up.  Notable as it is the first time in years.  Get used to it.
3. Sean will figure out how how to play point.  Getting into the paint without a plan for the next play.
4.  IU did a really good job of screening off the ball. Creating just enough of a rub to create space for DeVries or Wilkerson.  Those two could not miss.
5.  MU did a phenomenal job of getting to the basket and getting fouled, compared to what we are used to.
6.  Sadly, too often trading 2 for 3.
7.  No deflections.
8.  They are going to be coachable this week.  'Why am I not playing more?'   Here, let me show you how you played defense against Indiana. 
9. So, young men.  Back to work.  Work on your defensive rotations and help.
10.  I still believe this a tourney team. 

your pts 1,3 and 7 are concerning. Pt 10...care to elaborate?

[tower912]

#FTsNoMatta

MU won that battle.

[tower912]

your pts 1,3 and 7 are concerning. Pt 10...care to elaborate?

Which big word did your BIL not explain to you?

[DoctorV]

To my eyes, this game was more about what Indiana did than what Marquette didn't do.

A Shaka defense doesn't give up 100, but most offenses don't shoot 50% from 3 on that volume.

I saw some poor rotations and there were more open looks than there needed to be, but there were substantially more well contested hand in the face type 3P makes by the Hoosiers.
Sometimes, when your opponent makes those it can become very deflating and shake your confidence/energy.

On top of that, I rarely if ever complain about the refs and they didn't screw MU, but that was the most whistle happy and choppy game I've witnessed in person. Can't believe MU was in the 1 and 1 before the 15 min mark in the 1H and still got destroyed.
Just a strange game in a lot of ways.

As for our guys, to me the biggest shock was that they couldn't turn that team over or get them flustered at all, but again when you make 14 3s and lead comfortably for 30 mins it's hard to get shook.

It's also very strange that MU was clearly much quicker and more athletic all over the court and got blown out. Let's not forget that Indiana starts 5 seniors. They won't shoot like that more than a few times all season, and they will have to shoot 40% from 3 to win a lot of tough B10 games because they will be athletically inferior to their opponent, but it bodes very well for DeVries that they don't turn it over and that their mid major guys look to be high major players.

Those aren't excuses, and Shaka does have a problem. He has b2b classes with what *could be only 1-2 BE starting type of players- Zaide and Sean should hold their own, Parham too more often than not hopefully- and that's going to present a problem.
Not to beat a dead horse but he really needs Parham and DO to figure it out and get that sophomore life that Zaide got in the 2H of last year, or else it'll get tough.

I digress. My main takeaway today is that it was a pretty anomalous game, and I'm not sure how useful the tape will be outside of showing missed rotations and lack of help on defense. Otherwise, throw that one away.
Oh, and Nigel James can play.
And Tucker DeVries is a jerk but he's got some solid old man game for the college level

[GB Warrior]

With the players they have, the only thing that I'd expect to be working is the defense. Which makes today a pretty big indictment.

A lot of experienced players proved they don't belong out there. Shaka should let the younger guys play with Chase and Ben and either figure it out or fail fast. The relationship with Hamilton, Tre and Ross sucks and should be aborted if they want growth and victories in the future.

[GoldenEagles03]

We out rebounded them. We got to the line at will.

We just failed to knock down enough open 3s and our defense sucks.

[We R Final Four]

Except this is the part of the season where Shaka teams are actually successful.  If there are this bad now, think of the disaster we'll see in February and March.

*They're