It's one game, but.....

[GoldenEagles03]

Kolek was a scorer.
Kam was a scorer.
What is wrong with recruiting a scorer?
It appears Defense can be taught but scoring is a much higher art and skillset.
Besides Chase who do you feel can get us 10 points every game?

I like to point out that Kolek started 32 games as a Sophomore here and averaged 6 points per game.

I think Chase, Zaide, Royce, Ben should all be plenty capable of averaging double figures.

[GoldenEagles03]

Much, much closer than Marquette has been in 20+ years.

Ehh.

Senior year of Kolek/Oso had a better chance of winning a championship than the Brewers did this year in what was one of their best seasons ever.

[The Sultan]

Ehh.

Senior year of Kolek/Oso had a better chance of winning a championship than the Brewers did this year in what was one of their best seasons ever.

That is absolutely a silly statement.

[Pakuni]

Brewers.  Tigers.  Building through scouting, drafting, developing their young players, making the playoffs while other teams like the Mets spend all of that money to not make the playoffs.

Sound familiar?

I don't think pro-to-college sports comparisons make much sense, but  comping MU to teams that have a combined two World Series appearances in 40 years isn't going to make anyone feel better about the program's approach.

[GoldenEagles03]

That is absolutely a silly statement.

I believe it to be absolutely true.

Marquette, with a 1st team All American (and 3 NBA players), had a game against a Double Digit seed (that made the Final Four) to get to the Elite 8.

The Brewers had to beat the LA Dodgers 4 times (of which they beat them 0) just to get to the World Series. They will likely never be able to win a World Series.

We disagree, and that's ok!

[panda]

Ehh.

Senior year of Kolek/Oso had a better chance of winning a championship than the Brewers did this year in what was one of their best seasons ever.

That's actually a really good point. If that Marquette team didn't lose early in the tournament, they would definitely be closer than the brewers have the last 20 years.

[GoldenEagles03]

That's actually a really good point. If that Marquette team didn't lose early in the tournament, they would definitely be closer than the brewers have the last 20 years.

It's what makes College Basketball so fun. If you have a good team, you have a chance to win the single elimination format.

Pro Sports don't have that.

[panda]

It's what makes College Basketball so fun. If you have a good team, you have a chance to win the single elimination format.

Pro Sports don't have that.

Sweet

The brewers have made the "final four" like 5 times in the last 20 years.

[MuggsyB]

Kolek was a scorer.
Kam was a scorer.
What is wrong with recruiting a scorer?
It appears Defense can be taught but scoring is a much higher art and skillset.
Besides Chase who do you feel can get us 10 points every game?

Zaide and Parham should be able to.

Giving up 100 didn't help us today. 

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Honestly every MLB team works through FA and trades. There is no MLB, NBA, NFL or NHL team that has taken the MU model.

Again, kudos to Shaka for trying it. I thought it had merit.

It doesn't have merit because of today's ass kicking?

[GoldenEagles03]

Sweet

The brewers have made the "final four" like 5 times in the last 20 years.

And were still more wins away from winning a title each time than Marquette was 2 years ago.

[The Sultan]

And were still more wins away from winning a title each time than Marquette was 2 years ago.

LOLOLOLOL.

Look, it was a terrible point to begin with, but now you are just sounding ridiculous.

[GoldenEagles03]

LOLOLOLOL.

Look, it was a terrible point to begin with, but now you are just sounding ridiculous.

I am of the opinion that the Kolek and Ighodaro duo had a better chance of winning a title than the Brewers. I'm certain many agree.

That's not just a me thing.

[panda]

And were still more wins away from winning a title each time than Marquette was 2 years ago.

I check out for the summer and come back to the biggest bozo here still holding the top spot. lol

[The Sultan]

I am of the opinion that the Kolek and Ighodaro duo had a better chance of winning a title than the Brewers. I'm certain many agree.

That's not just a me thing.

Well, they're ridiculous too. Kolek and Oso never even got to the Elite 8.

[GoldenEagles03]

I check out for the summer and come back to the biggest bozo here still holding the top spot. lol

There are only 32 MLB teams so saying the Brewers made the Final Four is hilarious. The Brewers, simply by existing, make it further than Marquette made it last year in the tournament. It's stupid to compare College vs. Pro playoffs.

I still think they were a more realistic champion in 2023-24 than the Brewers this year. If you don't, awesome!

[PointWarrior]

Kolek was a scorer.
Kam was a scorer.
What is wrong with recruiting a scorer?
It appears Defense can be taught but scoring is a much higher art and skillset.
Besides Chase who do you feel can get us 10 points every game?

Nigel

[WhiteTrash]

I don't think pro-to-college sports comparisons make much sense, but  comping MU to teams that have a combined two World Series appearances in 40 years isn't going to make anyone feel better about the program's approach.

Do people really feel this way, that college is not pro sports? In some ways it it is way more free market and "pro" than any traditional pro sports. You can't ignore the new reality. You don't have to like it, but "college" sports has gone the way of the horse and buggy. 

[Newsdreams]

There are only 32 MLB teams so saying the Brewers made the Final Four is hilarious. The Brewers, simply by existing, make it further than Marquette made it last year in the tournament. It's stupid to compare College vs. Pro playoffs.

I still think they were a more realistic champion in 2023-24 than the Brewers this year. If you don't, awesome!

Brewers made the semis, MU unfortunately not since Crean.

[Billy Hoyle]

You're halfway there.

They build around a young core AND THEN spend money on experienced vets to push them over the edge.

Exactly. 2023-24 Purdue. A core of returners all recruited by Painter and one grad transfer (from Southern Illinois) added after the FDU debacle and they made the title game. The next year zero scholarship transfers (a walk-on from Milliken transferred in) and they made it back to the Sweet 16. MSU last year, two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) added to an all-Izzo recruited returning roster which got them to the Elite 8 a season after making the Sweet 16 with zero transfers.

In the pros, the Detroit Lions offense: all drafted players plus Goff and Montgomery (and Goff was supposed to be a place holder when they drafted Hooker). It's worked out well.

I don't want MU to be St. John's, Arkansas, etc., but one guy to fill an obvious need? That's just being smart. 

[GoldenEagles03]

Brewers made the semis, MU unfortunately not since Crean.

I still think it was much more of an uphill climb to actually win it than Marquette of 2 years ago. They would have had to beat the best team in baseball 4 times just to get to the World Series.

A roster of 3 NBA players was sitting there on Friday of the 2nd weekend as 1 of 12 teams left playing in a single elimination format and they were against a double digit seed.

It's tough to compare. Just an opinion. I too hope Marquette gets back to a third weekend sometime soon!

[AlumKCof93]

Last year we started strong but faded due to the lack of development from our younger players. This year, our season is fully dependent on those players taking major strides. Today's performance only heightened those concerns.

For Shaka approach to work, he needs to hit on recruits. Given the success of his first few years, it's surprising how many misses he's had. Given that those misses wint transfer, Shaka needs to have hit on the current freshman and next years.

I'm fully behind Shaka and would love for him to be the coach for many years. But his approach only works if he can identify the right recruits and develop them. I think it's fair to question his success as the junior and sophomore classes are underwhelming.

[MuggsyB]

Chase creating for others off the bounce is not really part of his skillset.  The question is do we have guys capable of making plays off the dribble in the h-c?  Kolek and Kam did this at a high level.  I'm a bit concerned this is going to be difficult for us this season.