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Tip of the spear for an admin that endorsed the use of torture.

No forgiveness.

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on November 04, 2025, 03:17:32 PMThe unfortunate thing is that James Stockdale lived an amazing and accomplished life, and was a legit American hero, but this is how most people know/remember him.


Actually what they remember was the SNL parody of this which makes him seem way more unhinged than he actually was. Because he was nowhere near as nutty as I thought he was when I watched this clip.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

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If he was serious in thinking Trump was an existential threat he would have taken him quail hunting

Billy Hoyle

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Quote from: Pakuni on November 04, 2025, 03:17:32 PMThe unfortunate thing is that James Stockdale lived an amazing and accomplished life, and was a legit American hero, but this is how most people know/remember him.

Say what you will about Miller today, in 1994 he nailed it (1:07 mark talking about Stockdale).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-RBYRpydXk
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane


Hards Alumni

Quote from: MU82 on November 04, 2025, 07:45:16 AMLiz Cheney eventually became an American hero. And even Dick Cheney eventually saw the light after a lifetime in deep darkness.

So for those two things (and those two alone), I give DC permission to rest in peace.

No.  They're both awful.

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Hards Alumni on November 05, 2025, 02:21:48 PMNo.  They're both awful.

We don't need to rehabilitate Dick Cheney of all people.
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GB Warrior

The fact that we found current leaders I'd rather join Donald Rumsfeld in hell does not mean we need to whitewash Cheney.

Spaniel with a Short Tail

Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bremer have a lot of splaining to do at the pearly gates. About half a million people died due to their actions.

#UnleashNigel


Shaka Shart

Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 05, 2025, 08:45:14 PMCheney, Rumsfeld and Bremer have a lot of splaining to do at the pearly gates. About half a million people died due to their actions.

It's not all bad, he gave the country a conveniently misrepresented role model/mascot for children instructed to emulate without questioning.  Even if that guy would be vomiting in disgust at the cynical co-opting of his death against all his known beliefs.


FFS Not everything is about Jesus, Christian Americans. I was trying to say RIP Pat Tillman.

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GB Warrior

Quote from: Shaka Shart on November 06, 2025, 08:08:33 PMIt's not all bad, he gave the country a conveniently misrepresented role model/mascot for children instructed to emulate without questioning.  Even if that guy would be vomiting in disgust at the cynical co-opting of his death against all his known beliefs.


FFS Not everything is about Jesus, Christian Americans. I was trying to say RIP Pat Tillman.



Pat Tillman would have been 49 today if we had just perfected shell defenses earlier

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