'25-26 NBA Thread

[wadesworld]

Bucks great Jae Crowder chiming in.

https://x.com/CJC9BOSS/status/2016564119319564581?s=20

[cheebs09]

Bucks great Jae Crowder chiming in.

https://x.com/CJC9BOSS/status/2016564119319564581?s=20

Hate to see MU on MU crime. While Doc is dreadful, I think Khris' injured, age, and Dame not being a fit are the biggest culprits.

[CreightonWarrior]

Shams reporting that the Bucks are now fielding "aggressive" offers for Giannis, and Giannis is ready to move on.  He does say the Bucks are willing to wait until the offseason to trade him, though.  He should not play another second for the Bucks this year.  He's had 4 calf strains in 2 years.  That achilles might be ready to pop any minute.

Unless the Hawks are going to give up Johnson plus the Pelicans' first this year (they're not), I don't see how the Bucks get a good enough offer to do it before the deadline.  The Knicks will offer KAT and Kolek plus the Wizards first that turns into a second if it's in the lottery (so, a second) and some swaps.  That's not nearly enough.  The Warriors will offer Butler and 3 firsts.  That's not nearly enough.  In the offseason, another year of first round picks become available for teams to give up, plus there's more financial flexibility and many of the Spurs, Rockets, Thunder, Pistons, Cavs, Magic, and Timberwolves that right now aren't making the move will lose before the Conference Finals and might be interested.

Not to mention, who knows.  If somehow the lottery balls fall where the Pelicans and Bucks both end up in the top 3, maybe you convince GA that adding Dybantsa and trading 2031 plus 2033 plus Kuz's expiring and Rollins can get you a true star to add to the roster (I don't think this happens, just adding it as a reason to wait until the offseason).

Shams has the easiest job in the world, just copying and pasting the same tweet every week that Giannis is getting traded. I do believe he will be traded but its been his life's mission for Giannis to get traded.

[MU82]

Bucks great Jae Crowder chiming in.

https://x.com/CJC9BOSS/status/2016564119319564581?s=20

Ouch.

[Mu8891]

Jae speaks the truth...

There are other factors, including roster construction, but Doc has been - and is -
just AWFUL.

[wadesworld]

Jae speaks the truth...

There are other factors, including roster construction, but Doc has been - and is -
just AWFUL.

The team was never going to compete for a title after they traded Jrue away. When your best perimeter defender is Gary Trent Jr. you aren't going anywhere.

Doc stinks but the downfall started before he got to Milwaukee.

[GB Warrior]

You know it's serious when Jae starts using punctuation.

[wadesworld]

I'll give Nico Harrison this.  At least when he traded Luka he didn't cower in a corner somewhere.  He was in the arena getting booed in person, doing press conferences (not that they helped his cause), etc.  Where is Horst?  Guy has been nowhere to be found, and has just let Giannis and the players field all the questions.

[Zog from Margo]

Horst is a lousy GM and hiring Doc was just one of many mistakes.

[GB Warrior]

The Dame thing gets a mulligan. It was the right move at the time. It didn't work for a myriad reasons but injuries never let that team get off the ground.

Every other fringe move in the draft or trade since PJ Tucker has more or less been a bust. That more than anything is on Horst

[WhiteTrash]

The Bucks need Billy Donovan.

[MU82]

The Athletics' Bucks reporter, Eric Nehm, was discussing possible trade scenarios, and casually referred to Giannis as "the best player in franchise history."

Given that Kareem is regularly mentioned as a top-5 all-time player and Giannis is not, I found that interesting.

I get that Giannis is in his 13th season while Kareem was a Buck for only 6 years - and that matters a ton - but in those six years, Kareem averaged 30.4 ppg, 15.3 rpg, 4.3 apg and 3.4 blocks. He won 3 MVPs and was top-5 in MVP voting his other three years. He also played an average of 78 games per season, and averaged 43 minutes in those games.

Giannis also has great stats and honors across the board. Not quite as impressive as Kareem's, but still incredible and, again, he's been with the Bucks more than twice as long as Kareem was.   

[Markusquette]

The Athletics' Bucks reporter, Eric Nehm, was discussing possible trade scenarios, and casually referred to Giannis as "the best player in franchise history."

Given that Kareem is regularly mentioned as a top-5 all-time player and Giannis is not, I found that interesting.

I get that Giannis is in his 13th season while Kareem was a Buck for only 6 years - and that matters a ton - but in those six years, Kareem averaged 30.4 ppg, 15.3 rpg, 4.3 apg and 3.4 blocks. He won 3 MVPs and was top-5 in MVP voting his other three years. He also played an average of 78 games per season, and averaged 43 minutes in those games.

Giannis also has great stats and honors across the board. Not quite as impressive as Kareem's, but still incredible and, again, he's been with the Bucks more than twice as long as Kareem was.   

GA is the best Buck of all time. With that said, it's sadly time to move on.

[wadesworld]

The Athletics' Bucks reporter, Eric Nehm, was discussing possible trade scenarios, and casually referred to Giannis as "the best player in franchise history."

Given that Kareem is regularly mentioned as a top-5 all-time player and Giannis is not, I found that interesting.

I get that Giannis is in his 13th season while Kareem was a Buck for only 6 years - and that matters a ton - but in those six years, Kareem averaged 30.4 ppg, 15.3 rpg, 4.3 apg and 3.4 blocks. He won 3 MVPs and was top-5 in MVP voting his other three years. He also played an average of 78 games per season, and averaged 43 minutes in those games.

Giannis also has great stats and honors across the board. Not quite as impressive as Kareem's, but still incredible and, again, he's been with the Bucks more than twice as long as Kareem was.   

Kareem was 22 years old his first year with the Bucks, and eras are different.  Players in that era played more games and more minutes per game.

Starting with Giannis's age 22 season and looking at 6 years from that, he averaged 70 games played per season, and that includes a season shortened by COVID. He averaged 26.2 points, 11.1 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 1.3 steals, and 1.4 blocks in 33.7 minutes per game (so almost 25% less time on the court).  He won 2 MVPs, finished 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th the other 4 years, won a DPOY, finished 2nd, 5th, and 6th in DPOY voting 3 of the other seasons, and while I love Khris and Jrue, never played with a future HOFer, let alone someone like Oscar Robertson.  The Bucks had 3 Hall of Famers on the roster when they won the title with Kareem, the Bucks had 1 when they won the title with Giannis.

And like you said, he's been in over Milwaukee twice as long and has been a top 5 player in the NBA every year since 2018-2019.  He leads the franchise in basically every statistical category in its history.  I don't really think there's any question he's the best player in Bucks history.

[MU82]

Lots of great points, wades. Thanks.