Pray for Charlie Kirk

[Jockey]

I guess you did not read the charging document.

You are foolish enough to believe anything a right winger says. You have given up any pretense of using the brain that God gave you. Baaaa!

[muwarrior69]

Based on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.

Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.

But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.

He hated Charlie for his views regarding the LGBTQ community which I suspect he took personally because of his love for his trans partner. I am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.

[Uncle Rico]

He hated Charlie for his views regarding the LGBTQ community which I suspect he took personally because of his love for his trans partner. I am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.

Pretty simple.  They get the same rights as any other human being and aren't ostracized by Christofascits

[muwarrior69]

Pretty simple.  They get the same rights as any other human being and aren't ostracized by Christofascits

...and that is a political statement.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

A quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life  Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here.  That is disappointing to see

[The Sultan]

...and that is a political statement.

It absolutely is not.

[Pakuni]

I am not sure how you take LGBTQ rights out of politics.

Higher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.

A person being able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they choose to love and still receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else, shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.

[Uncle Rico]

...and that is a political statement.

That they have the same rights as other human beings and aren't ostracized by christofascists? 

I suppose that's political if you're a christofascist

Higher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.

Whether a person should be able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they chose to love and receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.

[Uncle Rico]

A quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life  Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here.  That is disappointing to see

lol

[The Sultan]

A quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life  Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here.  That is disappointing to see

I will say that I have seen a number of videos that have played out like you have said.

However, then you have this. The tweet includes a video.

https://x.com/ErinInTheMorn/status/1701335984309223455?s=20

[Pakuni]

A quick dive into Charlie's videos prove your premises wrong. He didn't hate anyone ; professed love for all human life  Trans people often came to the microphone and had a discussion him that was respectful on both sides and he cared for them as individuals.
He didn't hate anyone who held different beliefs unlike some here.  That is disappointing to see

Some of Charlie's most loving statements:

"If I see a black pilot, I'm going to think, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

"We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor. We need it immediately."

"Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that's a fact. It's happening more and more."

"The great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different."

"Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America."

"Black women do not have brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."

"(Gay couples) are not happy just having marriage. Instead, they now want to corrupt your children."

[Jay Bee]

Higher vs lower taxes is a political issue.
Free trade vs tariffs is a political issue.
Intervention in foreign affairs is a political issue.
Educational and military spending are political issues.
Immigration policy is a political issue.

A person being able to live their life in the law-abiding way of their choice, love who they choose to love and still receive the same basic civil rights as everyone else, shouldn't be dependent on which political party holds the current majority.

If this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.

I think something like 'right to use opposite sex bathrooms in public' isn't a basic civil right, but one that is complained about . I believe reasonable, compassionate people can differ as to their opinion on such topics.

[MU82]

That's Chaz Bono. And in states with bathroom laws, he MUST share the ladies room with the little girls that those laws are claiming to protect.

[Uncle Rico]

That's Chaz Bono. And in states with bathroom laws, he MUST share the ladies room with the little girls that those laws are claiming to protect.

Better than having to be a child in a bathroom with a Catholic priest

[jesmu84]

Based on the charging document you are correct. I highlighted the above though for a particular reason. There is significant room for debate on whether anti- or pro- LGBTQ+ is a political ideology.

Given that there are LGBTQ+ supporters of Trump and the MAGA movement (admittedly not a lot), being pro- or anti LGBTQ+ does not align one with a specific political party.

But the problem we have, and what exhausts me right now, is that with all the problems in the world, there is so much effort to divide people based on demographics. Pushing the idea that some humans, based on who they were born as, are not worthy of the same rights, privileges, compassion and love. And that so many people are perfectly ok with this intentional division and hate, because they perceive the identity that they belong to as winning. In that world, we all lose.

Easier for those on the top to use wedge issues to divide those below.

Class consciousness is a threat to them.

Tribalism and fear of the other are much better.

[Pakuni]

If this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.

I would suggest that "trans rights" = "trans people should have the same rights as everyone else."

And the trans community and its supporters would not frame the bathroom issue as you have, and that goes to the crux of the debate.

This is Army veteran Rudy Akbarian. Born female. Should he be using the women's restroom?

[jesmu84]

If this were all the case, then there would be no such thing as 'trans rights'. It would just be 'same rights as everyone else'.

You're correct. We need to just have "same rights as everyone else".

Unfortunately, there are people and groups in the country who don't want the "same rights as everyone else."

It's happened repeatedly in our past - women, blacks, gays - and it's happening now.

[forgetful]

Still reckless?... or simply reality MM didn't want to report on?

Yes.

The information was released without full context and sources during a time period of heated tension where cooler heads and detailed information was necessary instead of pushing information out incompletely and quickly. It put people at risk of reprisal attacks.

I'm sorry that you don't see the inherent risks of putting out incomplete information in situations like that.

[jesmu84]

Nm

[MU82]

I would suggest that "trans rights" = "trans people should have the same rights as everyone else."

And the trans community and its supporters would not frame the bathroom issue as you have, and that goes to the crux of the debate.

This is Army veteran Rudy Akbarian. Born female. Should he be using the women's restroom?

In some states, if law enforcement officers follow the rules, he would be arrested for using the men's room.

[TallTitan34]

Nm

[Shaka Shart]

We should all be sitting down when we piss anyway so we can check scoop

[NCMUFan]

Only fitting place to read Scoop.

[tower912]

The hatemongers are setting their sights on Pope Leo now.  How dare he echo the gospels and speak out against greed?
Just the next page in the playbook.

[Uncle Rico]

The hatemongers are setting their sights on Pope Leo now.  How dare he echo the gospels and speak out against greed?
Just the next page in the playbook.

https://bsky.app/profile/nytpitchbot.bsky.social/post/3lyymgbykhs2y