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[September 13, 2025, 09:57:00 PM]

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Scoop Snoop

#25
Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 11, 2025, 01:50:27 PMShe should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??

But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?

No question that speeding places some of the blame on the Jeep driver, but if we are getting technical, failure to yield places the blame (by law) on the driver turning left into oncoming traffic.

A sober driver, seeing the other driver trying to beat a red light, would very likely have stayed and waited to turn.

It reminded me of an accident many years ago when 15-year-old me was in the front passenger seat and my mother was making a turn into a parking lot when a speeding car came right at us. The reason I remember it so well is because the car was heading straight for me. I yelled FLOOR IT! and she did, so we got hit very hard at the rear door rather than the one I was sitting by. The driver was extremely drunk and, after a few minutes drove off but not before I wrote down his tag number. No ticket was issued to either party as he was drunk and left the scene of an accident and, we later learned, a friend of the cop.

So, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough. My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs.  My scare as a teen when our car was demolished where we were hit is difficult to forget. No drunk, no accident, no close call.
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rocky_warrior

#26
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 11, 2025, 02:16:36 PMSo, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough. My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs.

I'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.

Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident.  Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.

Similar to you, I was a passenger in a car heading one way at about 25-30mph.  We got t-boned on my side by another car that failed to yield (didn't see the stop sign) at 25-30mph.  Fortunately only cars totaled, and I had a stiff neck for a few weeks.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: rocky_warrior on September 11, 2025, 02:20:52 PMI'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.

Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident.  Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.

Very fair.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

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