Two Marquette Students Die in Auto Crash

[Scoop Snoop]

She should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??

But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?

No question that speeding places some of the blame on the Jeep driver, but if we are getting technical, failure to yield places the blame (by law) on the driver turning left into oncoming traffic.

A sober driver, seeing the other driver trying to beat a red light, would very likely have stayed and waited to turn.

It reminded me of an accident many years ago when 15-year-old me was in the front passenger seat and my mother was making a turn into a parking lot when a speeding car came right at us. The reason I remember it so well is because the car was heading straight for me. I yelled FLOOR IT! and she did, so we got hit very hard at the rear door rather than the one I was sitting by. The driver was extremely drunk and, after a few minutes drove off but not before I wrote down his tag number. No ticket was issued to either party as he was drunk and left the scene of an accident and, we later learned, a friend of the cop.

So, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough. My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs.  My scare as a teen when our car was demolished where we were hit is difficult to forget. No drunk, no accident, no close call.

[rocky_warrior]

So, if your point is that, even with the drunk driving, there may be some blame assigned to the sober driver...fair enough. My point is that I doubt it would ever had happened without the driver being drunk and who should have had her license at least suspended if not permanently revoked due to the previous DUIs.

I'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.

Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident.  Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.

Similar to you, I was a passenger in a car heading one way at about 25-30mph.  We got t-boned on my side by another car that failed to yield (didn't see the stop sign) at 25-30mph.  Fortunately only cars totaled, and I had a stiff neck for a few weeks.

[Scoop Snoop]

I'm not exactly certain of my "point" - and as I mentioned it is surprising she was still even allowed to drive.

Certainly failing to yield is the cause of the accident.  Though if the accident were to happen at posted speed limits, I do question whether anyone would have died.

Very fair.

[Jay Bee]

She should not have been driving intoxicated, and certainly not allowed to for the...4th time??

But...absent that info...when two cars collide in an intersection during a yellow light, one traveling 11mph (19mph under the speed limit), and the other traveling 53mph (23mph over the speed limit)...which driver would you blame for the deaths in the accident?

Looks like the answer to your question is, "both". Such a sad loss of lives.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-milwaukee-crash-charges-051926.amp

[The Sultan]

Looks like the answer to your question is, "both". Such a sad loss of lives.

https://www.fox6now.com/news/marquette-students-killed-milwaukee-crash-charges-051926.amp

Oof. Just awful all around.

[#UnleashThePortal]

Ahhh the American justice system. Where we try and ruin even more lives from an accident!

[The Sultan]

Ahhh the American justice system. Where we try and ruin even more lives from an accident!

Are you seriously suggesting that someone driving a car 20 mph over the speed limit where multiple people were killed, should go unpunished?

Not to mention it was packed beyond capacity.

[#UnleashThePortal]

Are you seriously suggesting that someone driving a car 20 mph over the speed limit where multiple people were killed, should go unpunished?

Not to mention it was packed beyond capacity.

Are you seriously suggesting charging a 21 year old with homicide doing what every young adult in the city also does?

Who exactly benefits from that?

[The Sultan]

Are you seriously suggesting charging a 21 year old with homicide doing what every young adult in the city also does?

Who exactly benefits from that?

Every young adult kills their passengers while driving their car?? That's news to me.

And your second question is nonsense. You don't charge someone because it may or may not "benefit" someone. You charge them because they allegedly committed a felony where people lost their lives.

Should they receive leniency because of mitigating circumstances? Of course. But to simply not charge them at all? That's ridiculous.

[NCMUFan]

Lots of bad decisions that I am sure everyone wishes they could go back in time to make a better decision.  Prayers for the families and friends.

[#UnleashThePortal]

Every young adult kills their passengers while driving their car?? That's news to me.

And your second question is nonsense. You don't charge someone because it may or may not "benefit" someone. You charge them because they allegedly committed a felony where people lost their lives.

Should they receive leniency because of mitigating circumstances? Of course. But to simply not charge them at all? That's ridiculous.

Part a, you knew exactly what I was talking about,  but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.

Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?

Im sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.


*speedometers are often inaccudatw, and even more so at high acceleration. i guess they could pull the GPS data possibly though.

[Uncle Rico]

Part a, you knew exactly what I was talking about,  but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.

Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?

Im sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.


*speedometers are often inaccudatw, and even more so at high acceleration. i guess they could pull the GPS data possibly though.

He broke the law and people died.  Reckless driving in Milwaukee is a massive problem and people are going to be made an example of.  My sympathy for him is low having witnessed reckless driving throughout the city.

It's a pretty safe bet this never makes it to trial, anyway, but he's going to have time to serve.

[The Sultan]

Part a, you knew exactly what I was talking about,  but making mountains out of molehills is what you do, so carry on.

You seem to think he was charged simply because he was driving 20 mph over the limit. He was charged because he was speeding and people were killed.

Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?

I'm not sure why the age of the guy is relevant here.

I think a driver in this situation should be charged. I also think that, with mitigating factors, that he shouldn't serve ten years in prison. He very likely will not.

Im sure countless people have done the same thing to beat a light before, but I'm sure NO ONE on scoop has ever done this.

Again, I am not sure why you think this matters. He wasn't charged because he tried to beat a light. He was charged because he tried to beat a light and people were killed in the process.

[StillAWarrior]

Part b, do you actually think a 21 year old deserves up to 10 years in prison (with a permanent murder charge on their record) because he MAY* have been going 53mph to beat a light, while a drunk driver floored it across the intersection?

He doesn't have a "murder charge" on his record. He's accused of negligence resulting in the death of two people. That'll get you a charge...and it should. If he is convicted, I would think that mitigating factors will result in far less than 10 years...as they should.

[NCMUFan]

Reckless driving is a problem everywhere.
Tragic events occur when two reckless drivers meet.

[Jay Bee]

He doesn't have a "murder charge" on his record. He's accused of negligence resulting in the death of two people. That'll get you a charge...and it should. If he is convicted, I would think that mitigating factors will result in far less than 10 years...as they should.

If we want to be precise, then do that. He's charged with two counts of felony homicide.

Not 'negligence resulting in...'.. rather negligence CAUSING.

[StillAWarrior]

If we want to be precise, then do that. He's charged with two counts of felony homicide.

Not 'negligence resulting in...'.. rather negligence CAUSING.

Fair enough; my comment lacked precision. Your Unleash's claim he had a murder charge on his permanent record was simply wrong.

[The Sultan]

Fair enough; my comment lacked precision. Your claim he had a murder charge on his permanent record was simply wrong.

That wasn't JB.

That was #unleash.

[StillAWarrior]

That wasn't JB.

That was #unleash.

Doh!

My apologies, JB.