2025 College Football Thread

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

After having time to ponder it seems an ND ploy to extract more money from the ACC somehow.

[MUBurrow]

Notre Dame very mad because the ACC did the unforgivable by advocating for one of its members.
Just when you think the Domers couldn't get any more insufferable.

When Iowa State and Kansas State decided to forego bowls, they each agreed to pay the B12 $500k.  When ND opted out, the ACC got nothing.  ND just wants the best of both Independent status and faux conference affiliation all the time.  I hope all the bad things in the world happen to them and only them and nobody else.

[WhiteTrash]

When Iowa State and Kansas State decided to forego bowls, they each agreed to pay the B12 $500k.  When ND opted out, the ACC got nothing.  ND just wants the best of both Independent status and faux conference affiliation all the time.  I hope all the bad things in the world happen to them and only them and nobody else.

The ACC could have done the same as the B10 and said 'No' to ND.

[Billy Hoyle]

After having time to ponder it seems an ND ploy to extract more money from the ACC somehow.

or play fewer conference games (they currently play five).

here's an idea, ND: join the ACC full time. Then you'd have had an opportunity to make the conference championship game and get the automatic bid.

[MU82]

or play fewer conference games (they currently play five).

here's an idea, ND: join the ACC full time. Then you'd have had an opportunity to make the conference championship game and get the automatic bid.

Starting next year, they don't need to. So there's no incentive for it.

ND is used to getting everything handed to them on a golden platter. I'm really enjoying the tears streaming down their whiny faces now.

[jesmu84]

The committee decisions and explanations regarding Miami, ND, BYU and Alabama still make no sense.

[Pakuni]

The committee decisions and explanations regarding Miami, ND, BYU and Alabama still make no sense.

I think it's pretty simple for Alabama - they're the only team in the country in the top 10 in all three key metrics ( FPI, SOR and SOS) and they weren't going to get excluded for losing a conference championship game, especially a road game vs a top 3 opponent.
The committee set that precedent last year by keeping SMU in the field despite losing their conference championship to a mediocre Clemson team.
I think Miami over Notre Dame was the wrong call, but the committee had head-to-head to justify it.

[JWags85]

I think Miami over Notre Dame was the wrong call, but the committee had head-to-head to justify it.

I think it was only an issue cause ND was ranked above Miami all season in the playoff rankings (which I think was wrong to begin with).

ND had better losses, but their best win was against a team ranked around where Miami's losses (SMU/Lville) were.  Miami had a much better win and that win was head to head. Pretty easy IMO.

For fun, look at their schedule next year.  It's abysmal. The better not lose to Miami again.   3 teams in the bottom 4 of the B10 (Wisky, MSU, PU), 4 in the bottom 5 of the ACC (UNC, Stanford, BC, and Cuse), plus Rice who was near the bottom of the AAC.  After Miami, their toughest games are borderline top 25 teams in Navy, SMU, and USC (unless they finally make a leap, they have a huge class coming in)

[WhiteTrash]

The committee decisions and explanations regarding Miami, ND, BYU and Alabama still make no sense.

I still have no idea if conference championship games count or don't count. I can see the logic either way, but not randomly.

The lack of logic in the selection process was a result of the ACC not having a team in, and the committee had to put Miami any way possible. The idiots should have just put Miami ahead of ND all along due to the head-to-head.

[MU82]

I think it was only an issue cause ND was ranked above Miami all season in the playoff rankings (which I think was wrong to begin with).

ND had better losses, but their best win was against a team ranked around where Miami's losses (SMU/Lville) were.  Miami had a much better win and that win was head to head. Pretty easy IMO.

For fun, look at their schedule next year.  It's abysmal. The better not lose to Miami again.   3 teams in the bottom 4 of the B10 (Wisky, MSU, PU), 4 in the bottom 5 of the ACC (UNC, Stanford, BC, and Cuse), plus Rice who was near the bottom of the AAC.  After Miami, their toughest games are borderline top 25 teams in Navy, SMU, and USC (unless they finally make a leap, they have a huge class coming in)

They can lose to Miami again, beat all the Sisters of the Poor they play, and glide into the CFP as long as they are a top-12 team.

[JWags85]

I forgot to post this last night.  ND insiders implying a revenge conspiracy against them.

https://x.com/mikeberardino/status/1997820174276476938?s=46

I enjoy Miami but I kind of hope A&M smacks them so the ND faithful have another justification to lose their minds

[BM1090]

I know they were never getting in with a third loss, Texas' resume impresses me a lot more than the teams in front of them.

[tower912]

Schools have said no to the NIT.  Al said no the NCAA tournament.   I applaud ND's decision. 

[WhiteTrash]

I know they were never getting in with a third loss, Texas' resume impresses me a lot more than the teams in front of them.

You have a good point. It all goes back to the Florida loss, a team Miami thumped. Not very common to have a loss in the Swamp be a bad loss.

[Billy Hoyle]

My view on the "head to head" game is that it was the first game of the season, at Miami, and that ND was starting a true freshman QB. My opinion (as an anti-ND guy too) is that game should have minimal value.

Also, unlike ND, Miami played an FCS team. Was ND's schedule really any weaker than Miami's?

[Pakuni]

Schools have said no to the NIT.  Al said no the NCAA tournament.   I applaud ND's decision. 

Al also was being whiny and petulant.

[WhiteTrash]

My view on the "head to head" game is that it was the first game of the season, at Miami, and that ND was starting a true freshman QB. My opinion (as an anti-ND guy too) is that game should have minimal value.

Also, unlike ND, Miami played an FCS team. Was ND's schedule really any weaker than Miami's?

Your points are valid and logical. The overarching answer to all of this is that the committee was not going to leave the ACC out. Their process and explanation does not pass the smell test because they set aside any logic to make it happen.
    + conference championship games don't matter, except when they do
    + head to heads don't not matter, except when they do.
    + For years when you lost and how you were playing at the end of the year mattered, except this year.

I think it is very reasonable to have Miami in over ND, but the process has become the joke.

[JWags85]

I know they were never getting in with a third loss, Texas' resume impresses me a lot more than the teams in front of them.

Its truly unfortunate that they shat themselves at UF cause its a super strong resume otherwise.  Best wins of almost anyone...3 top 10 wins against teams that have all stayed basically top 10 (I think Vandy is 11 now). A close loss to the #2 team and then a rough road loss to a top 5 team, which happens.  And Arch was playing well down the stretch and looking more like the QB everyone was expecting him to be.  But that Florida loss was ROUGH, even before they lost 5 of their next 6.

My view on the "head to head" game is that it was the first game of the season, at Miami, and that ND was starting a true freshman QB. My opinion (as an anti-ND guy too) is that game should have minimal value.

Also, unlike ND, Miami played an FCS team. Was ND's schedule really any weaker than Miami's?

Their SOS was basically identical.  Both within a spot of each other's in the mid 40s depending where you look.  And as you said, that's with Miami playing Bethune Cookman while ND played A&M.  So no, ND doesn't get any boost over Miami there.

And who cares that it was the first game of the season.  They lost the second game too.  Then beat a bunch of mediocre teams.  Miami had the better marquee win in addition to having the head to head.  If it was Purdue with ND's resume instead, nobody would be flinching over Miami getting the nod.

As noted above, I think Texas is probably more deserving of both of them but obviously they made their bed.  Hell, Vandy has better wins than ND and if they lose to Texas in late September instead of November, they are probably in over ND.

[WhiteTrash]

who cares that it was the first game of the season.
 
Hell, Vandy has better wins than ND and if they lose to Texas in late September instead of November, they are probably in over ND.

[jesmu84]

Schools have said no to the NIT.  Al said no the NCAA tournament.  I applaud ND's decision. 

[MU82]

My view on the "head to head" game is that it was the first game of the season, at Miami, and that ND was starting a true freshman QB. My opinion (as an anti-ND guy too) is that game should have minimal value.

Who's fault is it, other than Freeman and the Whining Irish's, that they didn't have a more experienced QB to start? Not sure why Miami should get penalized or ND rewarded for that. And it also was Miami's first game, no?

[Billy Hoyle]

Who's fault is it, other than Freeman and the Whining Irish's, that they didn't have a more experienced QB to start? Not sure why Miami should get penalized or ND rewarded for that. And it also was Miami's first game, no?

For any game that early in the season, I would deemphasize head-to-head and instead focus on which team is the better one between the two right now. IMO, ND is the better team right now.

Though a lot of this could be solved if the CFP weren't releasing rankings during the season, it's nothing more than a ratings grab. If ND had never been shown as consistently ranked above Miami during the season, including last week, then a lot of the controversy would have been avoided.

[WhiteTrash]

Though a lot of this could be solved if the CFP weren't releasing rankings during the season, it's nothing more than a ratings grab. If ND had never been shown as consistently ranked above Miami during the season, including last week, then a lot of the controversy would have been avoided.

This is the truth.

Outside of ND fans, I have not heard anyone complain that Miami was the pick. I have heard significant complaints about the process. Paying attention to the in-season ranking is just dumb going forward.

Also, the ACC getting its s**t together would help too.

[WhiteTrash]

I was always curious why the B10 was/is entertaining the PE capital infusion; then I read this in the WSJ:

"Now, despite the open money faucet, spending on sports at some Big Ten schools has outpaced revenues. This year, Michigan said it would need a $15 million university contribution to balance its athletic budget. The Buckeyes reported a $38 million deficit across athletics last year. And as Indiana embarked on the best two-year run in its football program's history last season, it needed $34 million in university support to run its athletic department. "

[MU82]

For any game that early in the season, I would deemphasize head-to-head and instead focus on which team is the better one between the two right now. IMO, ND is the better team right now.

Though a lot of this could be solved if the CFP weren't releasing rankings during the season, it's nothing more than a ratings grab. If ND had never been shown as consistently ranked above Miami during the season, including last week, then a lot of the controversy would have been avoided.

Fair enough. But the controversy is the fun part! That, and ND tears and whining.