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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 02:52:08 PMThe Irish are taking their ball and going home.


https://www.on3.com/news/notre-dame-decline-bowl-invitation-after-missing-college-football-playoff/


They are not alone. ISU and K-State (maybe others?) did the same. Are bowl games a waste of time that the staff can better spend on recruiting?

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 03:10:03 PMThey are not alone. ISU and K-State (maybe others?) did the same. Are bowl games a waste of time that the staff can better spend on recruiting?

ISU and KSU are going through coaching changes, so probably.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: The Sultan on December 07, 2025, 03:15:12 PMISU and KSU are going through coaching changes, so probably.
That didn't prevent JMU, Tulane and Ole Miss from going to a bowl.  :D


Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 03:58:37 PMThat didn't prevent JMU, Tulane and Ole Miss from going to a bowl.  :D

I'm thinking only one of these teams is going to a bowl.

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MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 02:52:08 PMThe Irish are taking their ball and going home.


https://www.on3.com/news/notre-dame-decline-bowl-invitation-after-missing-college-football-playoff/



There is a string of articles in that thread, including one stating that starting next season, Notre Dame is guaranteed a playoff berth if they are ranked in the top 12. So I'm doubly glad they're not going this year.

As for not playing in an exhibition game, I don't blame them or any other team that turns down the XBox Bowl, Gasparilla Bowl, Pop-Tarts Bowl or, really, any of 'em.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 07:01:49 PMThere is a string of articles in that thread, including one stating that starting next season, Notre Dame is guaranteed a playoff berth if they are ranked in the top 12. So I'm doubly glad they're not going this year.

As for not playing in an exhibition game, I don't blame them or any other team that turns down the XBox Bowl, Gasparilla Bowl, Pop-Tarts Bowl or, really, any of 'em.
The whole bowl system feels very outdated for pro football.  Would anyone care about the Giants V. Raiders in a one off January game?

WhiteTrash

Thoughts on Saban's desire to lock out the Group of 5 from the playoff? The SEC commissioner disagrees, but I don't think he has any real influence.

The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 08:15:48 PMThoughts on Saban's desire to lock out the Group of 5 from the playoff? The SEC commissioner disagrees, but I don't think he has any real influence.

I think you could run into legal problems with that.
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WhiteTrash


Pakuni

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 07, 2025, 08:15:48 PMThoughts on Saban's desire to lock out the Group of 5 from the playoff? The SEC commissioner disagrees, but I don't think he has any real influence.

I may have heard him wrong, but I don't think he said lock out the G5. I think he said get rid of the autobid. That may be close to the same thing, but it would leave open  the door for a G5 program to earn its way in, as Boise State would have last year or Cincinnati in 2021.

Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 07:01:49 PMAs for not playing in an exhibition game, I don't blame them or any other team that turns down the XBox Bowl, Gasparilla Bowl, Pop-Tarts Bowl or, really, any of 'em.

I think it's exceptionally lame and shortsighted. I get that their feels are hurt, but they're giving up an opportunity for extra practice, additional reps for young players, a chance for early enrollees to pratice with the team, etc. Even discounting the player development aspect, it's a chance to reward the players with a free trip in late December somewhere better (and warmer) than South Bend, Indiana. And lastly, there are a bunch of kids on that team who will never play football for Notre Dame or anyone again, and this would have given them another chance to put on the uniform and be on the field one last time.
I'm all for players sitting out bowls to protect themselves and their draft stock, but the majority of that or any roster will never play in the NFL, except maybe preseason. ND has deprived those kids of that out of petulance.

Is it an exhibition? Sure. So are most college games. Did Purdue-Minnesota mean anything? Or Wake Forest-Virginia Tech? Any Oregon State game?

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 10:29:22 PMI think it's exceptionally lame and shortsighted. I get that their feels are hurt, but they're giving up an opportunity for extra practice, additional reps for young players, a chance for early enrollees to pratice with the team, etc. Even discounting the player development aspect, it's a chance to reward the players with a free trip in late December somewhere better (and warmer) than South Bend, Indiana. And lastly, there are a bunch of kids on that team who will never play football for Notre Dame or anyone again, and this would have given them another chance to put on the uniform and be on the field one last time.
I'm all for players sitting out bowls to protect themselves and their draft stock, but the majority of that or any roster will never play in the NFL, except maybe preseason. ND has deprived those kids of that out of petulance.

Is it an exhibition? Sure. So are most college games. Did Purdue-Minnesota mean anything? Or Wake Forest-Virginia Tech? Any Oregon State game?

I believe the players themselves voted to skip the exhibition.
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Pakuni

Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2025, 10:36:25 PMI believe the players themselves voted to skip the exhibition.

I'm not sure that's true, but so what? I imagine they were heartbroken about missing the playoffs and not likely in the best frame of mind for that decision a couple hours later. The grown ups in the room ought to made the decision based on what's best for the program, not their feelings being hurt. 
Notre Dame's not the first and won't be the last team to feel they were wronged by the playoff committee. They're the first I can remember who acted like this in response.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 09:46:33 PMI may have heard him wrong, but I don't think he said lock out the G5. I think he said get rid of the autobid. That may be close to the same thing, but it would leave open  the door for a G5 program to earn its way in, as Boise State would have last year or Cincinnati in 2021.
You are correct. In practice it would eliminate G5 most years and eventually completely eliminate the G5. Valid or not, that's the SEC commish's position.

MU82

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 10:49:15 PMI'm not sure that's true, but so what? I imagine they were heartbroken about missing the playoffs and not likely in the best frame of mind for that decision a couple hours later. The grown ups in the room ought to made the decision based on what's best for the program, not their feelings being hurt. 
Notre Dame's not the first and won't be the last team to feel they were wronged by the playoff committee. They're the first I can remember who acted like this in response.


We'll agree to disagree, Pak. Have a good one.
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Pakuni on December 07, 2025, 10:49:15 PMI'm not sure that's true, but so what? I imagine they were heartbroken about missing the playoffs and not likely in the best frame of mind for that decision a couple hours later. The grown ups in the room ought to made the decision based on what's best for the program, not their feelings being hurt. 
Notre Dame's not the first and won't be the last team to feel they were wronged by the playoff committee. They're the first I can remember who acted like this in response.

ND has a long history of skipping bowl games.

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