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Pakuni

#675
October 30, 2025, 03:16:15 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2025, 01:41:50 PMThey should hire Bob Chesney from JMU but I've heard a lot of chatter about Hartline here.  I think Hartline could be a great hire but as we know, we know nothing.

Do we know that Hartline can coach?
Big swing for a program like Penn State to hire a guy who not only has zero HC experience, but only one year - seven games, really - as a full coordinator/play caller.

Uncle Rico

#676
October 30, 2025, 03:25:43 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2025, 03:16:15 PMDo we know that Hartline can coach?
Big swing for a program like Penn State to hire a guy who not only has zero HC experience, but only one year - seven games, really - as a full coordinator/play caller.



We don't.  We don't know if they hire a current head coach at another program if they can succeed at Penn State either.

Hartline has been one of the lead coordinators at Ohio State since he got there and been the wideouts coach since '17.  An argument can be made he's been the best position coach in the nation.

It would be a massive gamble but I don't see a sure thing in this cycle unless there is a coach itching to move like Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly was in '21 and quite frankly, as good as those looked, the results aren't there.

Ryan Day got the Ohio gig and his resume wasn't exactly a sure thing when hired.  It isn't always the name hire that wins big.  Dabo wasn't a big name at Clemson.  Pete Carroll's hiring was mocked.
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

The Sultan

#677
October 30, 2025, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 30, 2025, 03:25:43 PMWe don't.  We don't know if they hire a current head coach at another program if they can succeed at Penn State either.

Hartline has been one of the lead coordinators at Ohio State since he got there and been the wideouts coach since '17.  An argument can be made he's been the best position coach in the nation.

It would be a massive gamble but I don't see a sure thing in this cycle unless there is a coach itching to move like Lincoln Riley or Brian Kelly was in '21 and quite frankly, as good as those looked, the results aren't there.

Ryan Day got the Ohio gig and his resume wasn't exactly a sure thing when hired.  It isn't always the name hire that wins big.  Dabo wasn't a big name at Clemson.  Pete Carroll's hiring was mocked.


Dan Lanning and Kirby Smart are examples of guys who was never a head coach taking over the head gig at a P4 school. But of course you have people like Jeremy Pruitt and Will Muschamp to counter that.
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WhiteTrash

#678
October 30, 2025, 03:59:14 PM Last Edit: October 30, 2025, 04:31:58 PM by WhiteTrash
This speculation is fun, but Madison will pick a coach and then LSU and Penn State can pick through the scraps.

Pakuni

#679
October 30, 2025, 04:57:14 PM Last Edit: October 30, 2025, 05:03:31 PM by Pakuni
Quote from: The Sultan on October 30, 2025, 03:40:43 PMDan Lanning and Kirby Smart are examples of guys who was never a head coach taking over the head gig at a P4 school. But of course you have people like Jeremy Pruitt and Will Muschamp to counter that.

All those guys were multiyear coordinators (Smart for eight seasons, Lanning for three, Pruitt for five, Muschamp for seven) before getting a head coaching job.
Hartline has had two seasons as "co-coordinator," but wasn't entrusted with calling plays, which means it was an honorary title to give him a pay raise/keep him happy. This is his first season as a playcaller.

I'm not saying it won't work. He's an elite recruiter, which helps. But there isn't much of a precedent for guys with his inexperience landing that high level of a job. Day might be a comparison, but he did well as the interim HC the year before he got the full-time gig and had stints as the OC at Temple and BC before landing at Ohio State. And he was always Urban's handpicked successor.

Uncle Rico

#680
October 30, 2025, 05:32:03 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2025, 04:57:14 PMAll those guys were multiyear coordinators (Smart for eight seasons, Lanning for three, Pruitt for five, Muschamp for seven) before getting a head coaching job.
Hartline has had two seasons as "co-coordinator," but wasn't entrusted with calling plays, which means it was an honorary title to give him a pay raise/keep him happy. This is his first season as a playcaller.

I'm not saying it won't work. He's an elite recruiter, which helps. But there isn't much of a precedent for guys with his inexperience landing that high level of a job. Day might be a comparison, but he did well as the interim HC the year before he got the full-time gig and had stints as the OC at Temple and BC before landing at Ohio State. And he was always Urban's handpicked successor.

I don't think he's the guy but I do think they have a guy lined up.
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Pakuni

#681
October 30, 2025, 05:56:20 PM
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 30, 2025, 03:59:14 PMThis speculation is fun, but Madison will pick a coach and then LSU and Penn State can pick through the scraps.

Hate to say it, but Brian Kelly would be a good fit for Wisconsin.
Though I imagine he might be inclined to lick his wounds for a year, with the help of his buyout, and try to jump back in a year from now.

Speaking of guys who've been sitting out (not necessarily by choice) a little surprised Jimbo Fisher's name hasn't surfaced more. It ended poorly at A&M, and he's understandably not on the list of any high-level programs, but you would think he'd draw some interest from the likes of Okie State, Arkansas or Virginia Tech (though seems to be a lot of James Franklin smoke on the latter).
He could also make sense for a G5 program that loses its coach, if he's willing to go that route.

Uncle Rico

#682
October 30, 2025, 06:00:53 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on October 30, 2025, 05:56:20 PMHate to say it, but Brian Kelly would be a good fit for Wisconsin.
Though I imagine he might be inclined to lick his wounds for a year, with the help of his buyout, and try to jump back in a year from now.

Speaking of guys who've been sitting out (not necessarily by choice) a little surprised Jimbo Fisher's name hasn't surfaced more. It ended poorly at A&M, and he's understandably not on the list of any high-level programs, but you would think he'd draw some interest from the likes of Okie State or Virginia Tech (though seems to be a lot of James Franklin smoke on the latter).
He could also make sense for a G5 program that loses its coach, if he's willing to go that route.

I'll disagree on Kelly and UW-Madison being a good fit.

One of the knocks on Fickell and Chryst before him was, they aren't good with alum and the boosters.  The next guy has some fences to mend and that isn't Brian Kelly's thing. 

Secondly, he relies on his assistants to do the heavy-lifting with recruiting and player relations.  He didn't bring any assistants with him to LSU from Notre Dame because they didn't want to go with him.  His reputation in coaching circles isn't great.  Not sure he'd put a good enough staff together to fix Bucky.

Saying that, if that's the route they go, wouldn't mind it.
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Render true judgments, show kindness and mercy to one another; do not oppress the widow, the orphan, the alien, or the poor; and do not devise evil in your hearts against one another.

tower912

#684
October 30, 2025, 07:52:26 PM
Money for athletes is not the problem in college athletics.
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The Sultan

#685
October 30, 2025, 07:54:03 PM
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2025, 07:52:26 PMMoney for athletes is not the problem in college athletics.

The LSU situation isn't a problem. It's awesome!
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WhiteTrash

#686
October 30, 2025, 08:35:38 PM
Quote from: tower912 on October 30, 2025, 07:52:26 PMMoney for athletes is not the problem in college athletics.
Yes! In the SEC.
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