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Billy Hoyle

#50
June 24, 2025, 07:10:58 PM Last Edit: June 24, 2025, 07:13:56 PM by Billy Hoyle
Quote from: The Sultan on June 24, 2025, 06:00:52 PMI would take Markus over both. Tony Miller?

Our all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.

Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season.
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

Billy Hoyle

#51
June 24, 2025, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2025, 07:10:58 PMOur all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.

Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season. He had some decent tourney success too
"Kevin thinks 'mother' is half a word." - Mike Deane

The Sultan

#52
June 24, 2025, 07:27:26 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 24, 2025, 07:10:58 PMOur all time assist leader, that record will never be broken. 8th most in NCAA history and he played in fewer games that all of those ahead of him). Also led us to the Sweet 16 and out of the basketball wilderness.

Travis would have broken George's all-time scoring record if he hadn't gotten injured and missed the final 8 (and possibly more) games of the season.


Yes, we should retire the number of the three time second team all Great Midwest, Tony Miller before we retire the number of a consensus all American, all time Big East leading scorer, Markus Howard.

Look, I love Miller. But he was a limited scoring point guard whose legend is bigger in a certain era of Marquette fandom out of nostalgia more than anything else.

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jay Bee

#53
June 24, 2025, 08:26:40 PM
Let's retire every jersey so as to be inclusive
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DoctorV

#54
June 24, 2025, 09:55:57 PM
Congrats to all 3, their contributions to Marquette basketball are everlasting.

Imagine the offensive firepower if you drafted a team of
TyKo at the 1
Markus at the 2
Wade at the 3
Novak at the 4
Crowder at the 5

Tyler could get 25 assists per game on that team

wadesworld

#55
June 24, 2025, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 24, 2025, 08:26:40 PMLet's retire every jersey so as to be inclusive

Your pickleball jersey should go in the rafters of every sports arena in the world.

avid1010

#56
Today at 06:34:07 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on June 24, 2025, 04:31:02 PMWhere would I draft the guy who shot 43% from 3 on 8 attempts per game for his career in today's game?  A 2 time consensus All American?  A Big East Player of the Year?  The leading scorer in the history of the Big East (think about that)?  One who would've had at least 2 more games to add to that total had COVID not shut the season down?  Pretty dang high.
Before Kolek? Diener? Miller? Kam?

Uncle Rico

#57
Today at 07:15:28 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 06:34:07 AMBefore Kolek? Diener? Miller? Kam?

How did Diener's teams do without Dwade?
"Well, we're all going to die."

Galway Eagle

#58
Today at 07:48:57 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 07:15:28 AMHow did Diener's teams do without Dwade?

I mean his junior year was bad but while he played during his senior year they were 14-4 and cracked the top 25.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

avid1010

#59
Today at 07:50:47 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on Today at 07:15:28 AMHow did Diener's teams do without Dwade?
Agreed, but Wade has also said they only make the FF because of Diener.  I don't think many people question who was more of a "winner" between Diener and Howard.  Diener certainly had more NBA success.  I understand that isn't the criteria for a jersey in the rafters, but I just never appreciated Markus' feel for the game.  I felt the same way about McNeal to an extent as well.  I would argue that Mathews ultimately did more to help MU win games.

Without doubt I'm taking Diener over Howard if I'm picking a team.

Galway Eagle

#60
Today at 07:54:07 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 06:34:07 AMBefore Kolek? Diener? Miller? Kam?

Before Kolek? Probably not.

Kam? absolutely. I love Kam and he'll get his but Markus lead a much worse group to a pretty on par season with better production and 100x the defensive attention than Kam was getting his last year.


Diener and Miller? I'll defer to someone who was around but sounds like a for sure on Miller.
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

The Sultan

#61
Today at 08:02:51 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 07:54:07 AMBefore Kolek? Probably not.

Kam? absolutely. I love Kam and he'll get his but Markus lead a much worse group to a pretty on par season with better production and 100x the defensive attention than Kam was getting his last year.


Diener and Miller? I'll defer to someone who was around but sounds like a for sure on Miller.


And they are 100% wrong on Miller. I loved the guy, but if you put Markus Howard on those teams, they are instantly better. Not a question at all. People irrationally love "pure" point guards like Miller, but really all that means is he couldn't shoot.

Picking Travis or Tyler ahead of Markus is a defendable position. (I would say Tyler for sure...Travis and Markus is a toss up.) But Tony Miller? That's all nostalgia talking.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

#62
Today at 08:13:43 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on Today at 08:02:51 AMAnd they are 100% wrong on Miller. I loved the guy, but if you put Markus Howard on those teams, they are instantly better. Not a question at all. People irrationally love "pure" point guards like Miller, but really all that means is he couldn't shoot.

Picking Travis or Tyler ahead of Markus is a defendable position. (I would say Tyler for sure...Travis and Markus is a toss up.) But Tony Miller? That's all nostalgia talking.

Big Tony Miller fan.  Markus was clearly better.

Honestly, Markus greatest flaw was he didn't have the opportunity to play with the Hausers his senior year.  I understand all the locker room issues but let's pretend they don't exist.  That's a top-5 his senior year.  And no, let's not turn this into another Wojo/Hauser/Markus thread.

Markus didn't play longer in the NBA because of his size.  He absolutely maximized his talent.  No problem with anyone taking Travis or Tyler over him.  But dismissing Markus as not one of the all-time greats is stupid.
"Well, we're all going to die."

jfp61

#63
Today at 09:39:39 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 07:54:07 AMI love Kam and he'll get his but Markus lead a much worse group to a pretty on par season with better production and 100x the defensive attention than Kam was getting his last year.

Sam Hauser is still a pro. Who is the second pro playing with Kam?

jfp61

#64
Today at 09:40:04 AM
Quote from: jfp61 on Today at 09:39:39 AMSam Hauser is still a pro. Who is the second pro playing with Kam?

5DollarPitcher

#65
Today at 09:41:42 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on June 24, 2025, 12:13:07 PMMarkus's jersey should've been raised right from the easel it sat on during his Senior Day.
No tourney wins

No Big East titles

No BET championships

No rafters

Uncle Rico

#66
Today at 09:51:47 AM
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on Today at 09:41:42 AMNo tourney wins

No Big East titles

No BET championships

No rafters

It's happening this year.  You'll be able to see it live.
"Well, we're all going to die."

TAMU, Knower of Ball

#67
Today at 09:52:01 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 06:34:07 AMBefore Kolek? Diener? Miller? Kam?

No, depends on the makeup of the team,  yes, yes
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TAMU

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avid1010

#68
Today at 10:12:10 AM
Quote from: jfp61 on Today at 09:39:39 AMSam Hauser is still a pro. Who is the second pro playing with Kam?
Sam Hauser was 100% correct to get the hell out of town...

Uncle Rico

#69
Today at 10:15:02 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 10:12:10 AMSam Hauser was 100% correct to get the hell out of town...

*Cracks knuckles*
"Well, we're all going to die."

Galway Eagle

#70
Today at 10:15:44 AM
Quote from: jfp61 on Today at 09:39:39 AMSam Hauser is still a pro. Who is the second pro playing with Kam?

Maybe the use of "his last year" should've been "their last years" but I feel like the point of the comparison being their senior years was still relatively obvious.

As far as what pros played with Kam his junior years I suggest you look up the rosters of the knicks and suns
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

Galway Eagle

#71
Today at 10:17:32 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 10:12:10 AMSam Hauser was 100% correct to get the hell out of town...

Boomers, "millennials are soft and don't ever bite the bullet and deal with adversity"

Every boomer on Sam "he was right to leave Markus and Wojo because he was unhappy!"
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

avid1010

#72
Today at 10:17:59 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on Today at 09:52:01 AMNo, depends on the makeup of the team,  yes, yes
Howard over Diener in any situation is a travesty.

avid1010

#73
Today at 10:19:45 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on Today at 10:17:32 AMBoomers, "millennials are soft and don't ever bite the bullet and deal with adversity"

Every boomer on Sam "he was right to leave Markus and Wojo because he was unhappy!"
I'm 40.  I question the brains of anyone that agreed to play for Wojo.  I wouldn't have wanted to play with Howard.

Uncle Rico

#74
Today at 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: avid1010 on Today at 10:19:45 AMI'm 40.  I question the brains of anyone that agreed to play for Wojo.  I wouldn't have wanted to play with Howard.

The Hausers agreed to play for Wojo.  One played with Howard for 3 years and even let him live with him.  They must be dumb.
"Well, we're all going to die."
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